Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/24/17 1:12 PM, Tim wrote:
Jan
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:17:42 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

What'd be impressive is when you hit targets while holding the gun
sideways i.e. "Gangstah".

The funny thing is I am seeing some defense coaches talking about that
sideways hold now, usually using a laser. It is generally when
shooting from cover like around a corner so you can establish a sight
picture or guide on the laser without exposing any more of your body
and head than necessary. It is also supposed to be more stable on an
"out to the side" hold.
....

I'm sure you're right in theory Greg, but I doubt that applies much to thug life


"Defense coaches..." I like firearms and have no objections to
reasonable people owning firearms, but I do get a laugh out of all the
youtube vids and magazine articles about which weapons are "the best"
for going to war or "protecting" oneself in a fire fight. If you are
going to war and you are not a soldier of fortune, one assumes "the
military" assigns you a firearm and teaches you how to use it. I'd bet
that 99.99% of non-sworn civilians in this country who "carry" never
have and never will face an armed assailant or gunfire or a grizzly bear
or mountain lion.

One of our local liquor and gourmet food stores has a uniformed and
armed county cop on duty on Saturdays and Sundays, but not during the
workweek. Our county mounties are friendly guys and I often talk to them
while waiting in the checkout line and as I am leaving the store. This
store has *never* had a robbery, but neither have most of the other
stores in the area where there is no armed guard standing around. The
cops tell me the weekend guard duty is a "great gig," because they don't
really have to do anything to earn their off-duty pay and the store
gives them a "great gourmet lunch." More power to them.


Do not know the latest stats, but 20 years ago, only 5% of police ever
pulled their weapon in the line of duty in their whole career.

On 1/24/17 2:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/24/17 1:12 PM, Tim wrote:
Jan
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:17:42 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

What'd be impressive is when you hit targets while holding the gun
sideways i.e. "Gangstah".

The funny thing is I am seeing some defense coaches talking about that
sideways hold now, usually using a laser. It is generally when
shooting from cover like around a corner so you can establish a sight
picture or guide on the laser without exposing any more of your body
and head than necessary. It is also supposed to be more stable on an
"out to the side" hold.
....

I'm sure you're right in theory Greg, but I doubt that applies much to thug life


"Defense coaches..." I like firearms and have no objections to
reasonable people owning firearms, but I do get a laugh out of all the
youtube vids and magazine articles about which weapons are "the best"
for going to war or "protecting" oneself in a fire fight. If you are
going to war and you are not a soldier of fortune, one assumes "the
military" assigns you a firearm and teaches you how to use it. I'd bet
that 99.99% of non-sworn civilians in this country who "carry" never
have and never will face an armed assailant or gunfire or a grizzly bear
or mountain lion.

One of our local liquor and gourmet food stores has a uniformed and
armed county cop on duty on Saturdays and Sundays, but not during the
workweek. Our county mounties are friendly guys and I often talk to them
while waiting in the checkout line and as I am leaving the store. This
store has *never* had a robbery, but neither have most of the other
stores in the area where there is no armed guard standing around. The
cops tell me the weekend guard duty is a "great gig," because they don't
really have to do anything to earn their off-duty pay and the store
gives them a "great gourmet lunch." More power to them.


Do not know the latest stats, but 20 years ago, only 5% of police ever
pulled their weapon in the line of duty in their whole career.


I see some cops at the local ranges who are horrible shots, and some of
them joke about it. One would think a certain level of proficiency with
firearms would have to be achieved and maintained, but maybe no. Last
year when I was messing around at the range with my revolver and
shooting pretty decently, one of them asked me how I got "so good."
Well, I'm only "decent" with it, certainly not "so good." I told him the
same way a musician gets to Carnegie Hall...practice, practice,
practice. He got it.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 14:40:08 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I was messing around at the range with my revolver and
shooting pretty decently, one of them asked me how I got "so good."
Well, I'm only "decent" with it, certainly not "so good." I told him the
same way a musician gets to Carnegie Hall...practice, practice,
practice. He got it.

===

You're only allowed to use that joke if you're from New York.

A fair number of the guys in my club are former LEOs. Most of them
are proficient but no more than that. One of my former neighbors was
a retired LEO from Seattle. I once asked him if was interested in
going for target practice. His answer surprised me. He said that he
had shot and been shot at, and that he had no interest in ever
shooting again.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 14:40:08 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Do not know the latest stats, but 20 years ago, only 5% of police ever
pulled their weapon in the line of duty in their whole career.


I see some cops at the local ranges who are horrible shots, and some of
them joke about it. One would think a certain level of proficiency with
firearms would have to be achieved and maintained, but maybe no. Last
year when I was messing around at the range with my revolver and
shooting pretty decently, one of them asked me how I got "so good."
Well, I'm only "decent" with it, certainly not "so good." I told him the
same way a musician gets to Carnegie Hall...practice, practice,
practice. He got it.

Regular cops are generally horrible shots. You only have to look at
the average hits per shots fired to see that. Some practice regularly
and take it seriously but most just find it hard enough to qualify to
carry their gun.
I was really surprised at how bad the cops were who used to come over
to my house to shoot. It was somewhat a rigged game since I was
shooting a lot at the time but simple things like 5 rapid fire shots
at 5 targets at 7 yards or even 5 yards seemed to be hard for them.
There are still 2 holes in the block wall at my Ex's house where one
guy missed the 2x3 bullet trap completely. (on 2 separate days)

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/24/17 2:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/24/17 1:12 PM, Tim wrote:
Jan
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:17:42 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

What'd be impressive is when you hit targets while holding the gun
sideways i.e. "Gangstah".

The funny thing is I am seeing some defense coaches talking about that
sideways hold now, usually using a laser. It is generally when
shooting from cover like around a corner so you can establish a sight
picture or guide on the laser without exposing any more of your body
and head than necessary. It is also supposed to be more stable on an
"out to the side" hold.
....

I'm sure you're right in theory Greg, but I doubt that applies much
to thug life


"Defense coaches..." I like firearms and have no objections to
reasonable people owning firearms, but I do get a laugh out of all the
youtube vids and magazine articles about which weapons are "the best"
for going to war or "protecting" oneself in a fire fight. If you are
going to war and you are not a soldier of fortune, one assumes "the
military" assigns you a firearm and teaches you how to use it. I'd bet
that 99.99% of non-sworn civilians in this country who "carry" never
have and never will face an armed assailant or gunfire or a grizzly
bear
or mountain lion.

One of our local liquor and gourmet food stores has a uniformed and
armed county cop on duty on Saturdays and Sundays, but not during the
workweek. Our county mounties are friendly guys and I often talk to
them
while waiting in the checkout line and as I am leaving the store. This
store has *never* had a robbery, but neither have most of the other
stores in the area where there is no armed guard standing around. The
cops tell me the weekend guard duty is a "great gig," because they
don't
really have to do anything to earn their off-duty pay and the store
gives them a "great gourmet lunch." More power to them.


Do not know the latest stats, but 20 years ago, only 5% of police ever
pulled their weapon in the line of duty in their whole career.


I see some cops at the local ranges who are horrible shots, and some
of them joke about it. One would think a certain level of proficiency
with firearms would have to be achieved and maintained, but maybe no.
Last year when I was messing around at the range with my revolver and
shooting pretty decently, one of them asked me how I got "so good."
Well, I'm only "decent" with it, certainly not "so good." I told him
the same way a musician gets to Carnegie Hall...practice, practice,
practice. He got it.

BS

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/24/17 2:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/24/17 1:12 PM, Tim wrote:
Jan
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:17:42 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

What'd be impressive is when you hit targets while holding the gun
sideways i.e. "Gangstah".

The funny thing is I am seeing some defense coaches talking about that
sideways hold now, usually using a laser. It is generally when
shooting from cover like around a corner so you can establish a sight
picture or guide on the laser without exposing any more of your body
and head than necessary. It is also supposed to be more stable on an
"out to the side" hold.
....

I'm sure you're right in theory Greg, but I doubt that applies much to thug life


"Defense coaches..." I like firearms and have no objections to
reasonable people owning firearms, but I do get a laugh out of all the
youtube vids and magazine articles about which weapons are "the best"
for going to war or "protecting" oneself in a fire fight. If you are
going to war and you are not a soldier of fortune, one assumes "the
military" assigns you a firearm and teaches you how to use it. I'd bet
that 99.99% of non-sworn civilians in this country who "carry" never
have and never will face an armed assailant or gunfire or a grizzly bear
or mountain lion.

One of our local liquor and gourmet food stores has a uniformed and
armed county cop on duty on Saturdays and Sundays, but not during the
workweek. Our county mounties are friendly guys and I often talk to them
while waiting in the checkout line and as I am leaving the store. This
store has *never* had a robbery, but neither have most of the other
stores in the area where there is no armed guard standing around. The
cops tell me the weekend guard duty is a "great gig," because they don't
really have to do anything to earn their off-duty pay and the store
gives them a "great gourmet lunch." More power to them.


Do not know the latest stats, but 20 years ago, only 5% of police ever
pulled their weapon in the line of duty in their whole career.


I see some cops at the local ranges who are horrible shots, and some of
them joke about it. One would think a certain level of proficiency with
firearms would have to be achieved and maintained, but maybe no. Last
year when I was messing around at the range with my revolver and
shooting pretty decently, one of them asked me how I got "so good."
Well, I'm only "decent" with it, certainly not "so good." I told him the
same way a musician gets to Carnegie Hall...practice, practice,
practice. He got it.


And that had what to do about pulling the weapon in the line of duty?