On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/25/2016 1:43 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 1:10 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 08:42:56 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 07:48:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/25/16 6:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze

wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus
23C due
to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the
current
one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat
show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to
computer sound
systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not
guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite



I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in
stock, I may
have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the
subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable
volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a
while
longer.
--



I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail
and
they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.

Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the
Companion 5s.
Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the
speakers, I think.
--

Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in
its
on-line
specs, unless I missed it.

http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics



--

Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in
comparison to similarly priced speakers from other
manufacturers...enjoy.

I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of
course, unlike you I
don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to
the music.

Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!


As some wag once wrote:


No highs, no lows...must be Bose.

That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by
either
audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and
selling in
the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end"
speaker
manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was
originally
unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting"
concept
in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You
have to
remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were
introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double
walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12"
or 15"
woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The
901's were
an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the
sound off the walls behind the speakers.

The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed
the
901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away
from
hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also
shouldn't
be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being
the same
distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement
requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in
terms of
where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that.

Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound
terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without
the
equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of
time.
Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They
don't
come up for sale often.

That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set
up. I
have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional
set (with
equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for
their
day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker
sets are
up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard,
sheetrock walls behind them.

The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has
listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great.
The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about
the same
level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the
sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose
concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup.

As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an
over-priced
way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original
direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like
waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio
equipment
manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the
years that
are much less expensive to purchase.

Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially
published
the frequency response curves for any of their products.
It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized
speakers.
A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat
response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same
set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself
has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your
favorite
concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic
treatment
of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various
instruments in a symphony orchestra.



Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my
electrostatics and
a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns.


Sure.


He heard that word from Luddite.
--



Lookie, lookie...a pair of *ConservaSnarks*

Are you sure the friend's 'Klipschhorns' (sic) are genuine? It
appears maybe the
label was misspelled by the Chinese? You checked the serial numbers
with the factory?


~crickets~
--



I'll bet you hear crickets a lot. Remember, JohnnyRancor, you are not
*entitled* to answers.

We're enjoying your roast even though you don't participate.

He must've been getting warm. The name-calling has crescendoed.

It's that damn fake set of Klipschorns that's got him ****ed. Damn, if the label
isn't even spelled correctly, you'd think they'd be able to recognize some
not-so-genuine Klipschorns.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

On 2/25/16 6:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

He must've been getting warm. The name-calling has crescendoed.

It's that damn fake set of Klipschorns that's got him ****ed. Damn, if the label
isn't even spelled correctly, you'd think they'd be able to recognize some
not-so-genuine Klipschorns.
--

This from a moron who believe expensive little speakers deliver more
lifelike sound than expensive big speakers. Are there no limits to your
ignorance, JohnnyTrash?

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due
to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the
current
one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound
systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite


I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may
have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the
subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable
volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while
longer.
--

I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and
they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.
Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s.
Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the
speakers, I think.
--
Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its
on-line
specs, unless I missed it.
http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics


--
Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in
comparison to similarly priced speakers from other
manufacturers...enjoy.
I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of
course, unlike you I
don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music.

Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

As some wag once wrote:
No highs, no lows...must be Bose.
That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either
audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in
the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker
manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally
unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept
in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to
remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were
introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double
walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15"
woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were
an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the
sound off the walls behind the speakers.

The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the
901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from
hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't
be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same
distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement
requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of
where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that.

Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound
terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the
equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time.
Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't
come up for sale often.

That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I
have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with
equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their
day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are
up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard,
sheetrock walls behind them.

The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has
listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great.
The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same
level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the
sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose
concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup.

As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced
way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original
direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like
waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment
manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that
are much less expensive to purchase.

Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published
the frequency response curves for any of their products.
It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers.
A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat
response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same
set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself
has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite
concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment
of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various
instruments in a symphony orchestra.


Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and
a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns.

Sure.

He heard that word from Luddite.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!


I'm sure he did. He can't invent his possessions without the help of
others or Google.

True North wrote:
There's a distinction...I do live on the North American continent but not in America. To the rest of the world..America is the United States...not Canada or Mexico.
Never said I hate America, that's The John at work playing his games.


You forgot Greenland and about three dozen other countries in North
America, dummy.

On 2/25/2016 6:58 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 6:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

He must've been getting warm. The name-calling has crescendoed.

It's that damn fake set of Klipschorns that's got him ****ed. Damn, if
the label
isn't even spelled correctly, you'd think they'd be able to recognize
some
not-so-genuine Klipschorns.
--


This from a moron who believe expensive little speakers deliver more
lifelike sound than expensive big speakers. Are there no limits to your
ignorance, JohnnyTrash?


It really depends on what kind of music you typically listen to. For
example, the speakers you like and listen to have an "airy" sound to
them that are ideal for classical music and for lifelike reproduction of
acoustic instruments (guitar, etc.) along with vocals. However, they
are not that great for the lifelike reproduction of hard rock with loud
electric guitars running through distortion pedals and piercing vocals.
For that, any cheap system works just fine. Trash in = Trash out,
faithfully reproduced, of course.

Back in the late 50's and early 60's as "hi-fi" became a big deal,
speakers became generally categorized as being a "West Coast Sound" or a
"East Coast Sound". West coast speakers were brighter sounding, some
using horns instead of a paper mid-range driver whereas East coast
speakers were softer sounding in the mids, producing a more "lush"
sound. I suppose the reason was the growing popularity of rock and roll
and "surf" music that originated on the west coast.

In those days JBL was probably the leader in the "west coast" speaker
sound. East coast speakers included Jensen, Electro-voice, Advent and
eventually Bose in 1968.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 6:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

He must've been getting warm. The name-calling has crescendoed.

It's that damn fake set of Klipschorns that's got him ****ed. Damn,
if the label
isn't even spelled correctly, you'd think they'd be able to recognize
some
not-so-genuine Klipschorns.
--

This from a moron who believe expensive little speakers deliver more
lifelike sound than expensive big speakers. Are there no limits to
your ignorance, JohnnyTrash?



He was discussing computer speakers. I have a pair of Klipsch speakers
in my living room that are rarely used but sound great. Two different
topics.

I have Sony speakers on one of my boats and they sound pretty good!

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 6:59:01 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 6:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

He must've been getting warm. The name-calling has crescendoed.

It's that damn fake set of Klipschorns that's got him ****ed. Damn, if the label
isn't even spelled correctly, you'd think they'd be able to recognize some
not-so-genuine Klipschorns.
--

This from a moron who believe expensive little speakers deliver more
lifelike sound than expensive big speakers. Are there no limits to your
ignorance, JohnnyTrash?

Please show me where I ever made such a statement, or is that just more Krausescheiße? I will say that there are some small expensive speakers that deliver better sound than some big expensive speakers. Size and cost matters to you narcissists, but listening enjoyment matters to most normal people.. Of course, listening enjoyment doesn't bestow 'bragging rights' which is something you sorely need. That's a shame.

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:10:16 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 6:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

He must've been getting warm. The name-calling has crescendoed.

It's that damn fake set of Klipschorns that's got him ****ed. Damn,
if the label
isn't even spelled correctly, you'd think they'd be able to recognize
some
not-so-genuine Klipschorns.
--

This from a moron who believe expensive little speakers deliver more
lifelike sound than expensive big speakers. Are there no limits to
your ignorance, JohnnyTrash?



He was discussing computer speakers. I have a pair of Klipsch speakers
in my living room that are rarely used but sound great. Two different
topics.

I have Sony speakers on one of my boats and they sound pretty good!

Hell, he doesn't know the difference between genuine and fake Klipschorns. How could
you expect him to stick to the subject?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 18:58:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Are there no limits to your
ignorance, JohnnyTrash?

===

Nice insulting Harry asswipe.

5:59 PMKeyser Söze
On 2/25/16 6:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

He must've been getting warm. The name-calling has crescendoed.

It's that damn fake set of Klipschorns that's got him ****ed. Damn, if the label
isn't even spelled correctly, you'd think they'd be able to recognize some
not-so-genuine Klipschorns.
--

This from a moron who believe expensive little speakers deliver more
lifelike sound than expensive big speakers. Are there no limits to your
ignorance, JohnnyTrash?
......

Study up on companies like Ultrasone or Seinheiser and get back to us ok?