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On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:15:27 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: I never said that. I said the opposite. Most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns. Stolen guns are a very small percentage. You've mistaken me for Basskisser. OK perhaps but what are you calling "gun crimes". Are you talking about acquaintance killings or are you talking about drug killings, robberies gone bad and gang violence? Gun crimes by legal gun owners. I would sure like to see some proof that most gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners. |
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On 11/2/2014 8:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:15:27 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: I never said that. I said the opposite. Most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns. Stolen guns are a very small percentage. You've mistaken me for Basskisser. OK perhaps but what are you calling "gun crimes". Are you talking about acquaintance killings or are you talking about drug killings, robberies gone bad and gang violence? Gun crimes by legal gun owners. I would sure like to see some proof that most gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners. Define "legal" gun owners. |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 08:07:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/2/2014 8:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:15:27 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: I never said that. I said the opposite. Most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns. Stolen guns are a very small percentage. You've mistaken me for Basskisser. OK perhaps but what are you calling "gun crimes". Are you talking about acquaintance killings or are you talking about drug killings, robberies gone bad and gang violence? Gun crimes by legal gun owners. I would sure like to see some proof that most gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners. Define "legal" gun owners. === I think that's relatively easy: Any person who is legally entitled to own a gun, and using a gun that they legally own (not stolen or borrowed without permission). |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 08:07:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/2/2014 8:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:15:27 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: I never said that. I said the opposite. Most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns. Stolen guns are a very small percentage. You've mistaken me for Basskisser. OK perhaps but what are you calling "gun crimes". Are you talking about acquaintance killings or are you talking about drug killings, robberies gone bad and gang violence? Gun crimes by legal gun owners. I would sure like to see some proof that most gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners. Define "legal" gun owners. What he said ...'most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns'...and then...'gun crimes by legal gun owners'. I'm thinking that if I wanted to commit a crime with a gun, I wouldn't want to use one that's traceable back to me. If I had to use one that was traceable to me, then it would be somewhere in the Potomac when I was finished with it. The Chicago Tribune reports 440 murders in Chicago in 2013. You reckon most of those were committed by 'legal gun owners'? And then throw in Flint, New Orleans, Detroit, and Jackson. Most murders committed by legal gun owners? |
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On 11/2/2014 9:05 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 08:07:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2014 8:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:15:27 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: I never said that. I said the opposite. Most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns. Stolen guns are a very small percentage. You've mistaken me for Basskisser. OK perhaps but what are you calling "gun crimes". Are you talking about acquaintance killings or are you talking about drug killings, robberies gone bad and gang violence? Gun crimes by legal gun owners. I would sure like to see some proof that most gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners. Define "legal" gun owners. === I think that's relatively easy: Any person who is legally entitled to own a gun, and using a gun that they legally own (not stolen or borrowed without permission). That works I guess. Obviously the laws that make it "legal" vary from state to state. BTW ... your Nor'ester is presently dumping heavy snow up here. :-( |
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On 11/2/2014 9:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 08:07:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2014 8:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:15:27 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: I never said that. I said the opposite. Most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns. Stolen guns are a very small percentage. You've mistaken me for Basskisser. OK perhaps but what are you calling "gun crimes". Are you talking about acquaintance killings or are you talking about drug killings, robberies gone bad and gang violence? Gun crimes by legal gun owners. I would sure like to see some proof that most gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners. Define "legal" gun owners. What he said ...'most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns'...and then...'gun crimes by legal gun owners'. I'm thinking that if I wanted to commit a crime with a gun, I wouldn't want to use one that's traceable back to me. If I had to use one that was traceable to me, then it would be somewhere in the Potomac when I was finished with it. The Chicago Tribune reports 440 murders in Chicago in 2013. You reckon most of those were committed by 'legal gun owners'? And then throw in Flint, New Orleans, Detroit, and Jackson. Most murders committed by legal gun owners? I find it hard to believe most crimes involving guns are committed by legal gun owners but then again, I don't know what "legal" means in the areas you mentioned. For example, I've looked at the gun laws in South Carolina. All you have to do is prove you are a resident and you can buy a gun. No permit, no license, no safety course. Nothing. A permit is required if you want to conceal carry however. |
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On Sunday, November 2, 2014 9:05:40 AM UTC-5, Wayne. B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 08:07:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2014 8:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:15:27 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: I never said that. I said the opposite. Most gun crimes are done with legally purchased guns. Stolen guns are a very small percentage. You've mistaken me for Basskisser. OK perhaps but what are you calling "gun crimes". Are you talking about acquaintance killings or are you talking about drug killings, robberies gone bad and gang violence? Gun crimes by legal gun owners. I would sure like to see some proof that most gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners. Define "legal" gun owners. === I think that's relatively easy: Any person who is legally entitled to own a gun, and using a gun that they legally own (not stolen or borrowed without permission). BOA is playing with words. Virtually all guns are initially legally purchased. However, I've seen no evidence that most gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners with their legally purchased guns. That's BS. |
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On Sunday, November 2, 2014 9:29:22 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
For example, I've looked at the gun laws in South Carolina. All you have to do is prove you are a resident and you can buy a gun. No permit, no license, no safety course. Nothing. A permit is required if you want to conceal carry however. Well, not quite. "Federal law requires federally licensed firearms dealers (but not private sellers) to initiate a background check on the purchaser prior to sale of a firearm. Federal law provides states with the option of serving as a state "point of contact" and conducting their own background checks using state, as well as federal, records and databases, or having the checks performed by the FBI using only the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System ("NICS") database. (Note that state files are not always included in the federal database.) South Carolina is not a point of contact state for firearm purchaser background checks.1 In South Carolina, firearms dealers must initiate the background check required by federal law by contacting the FBI directly. Federal law does not require dealers to conduct a background check if a firearm purchaser presents a state permit to purchase or possess firearms that meets certain conditions.2 As a result, concealable weapons permit holders in South Carolina are exempt from the federal background check requirement..3 (Note, however, that people who have become prohibited from possessing firearms may continue to hold state permits to purchase or carry firearms if the state fails to remove these permits in a timely fashion.). South Carolina law states that a person must be a resident of South Carolina to purchase a handgun from a South Carolina dealer, and that the possession of a valid South Carolina driver's license or Department of Motor Vehicles identification card constitutes proof of residency.4 A dealer may not sell a handgun without clear evidence as to the identity of the purchaser being furnished to the dealer.5 South Carolina does not require private sellers (sellers who are not licensed dealers) to initiate a background check when transferring a firearm." So, that reads to me that I must be a resident, and will have a background check done on me unless I am a concealed permit holder. Should I have to take a safety course to get a permit to buy a gun? I'm on the fence with that. One thing is for sure... requiring that would not have any effect on gun crimes. Criminals don't get permits or care about safety, right? |
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