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Mr. Luddite November 4th 14 09:12 PM

Had to share this story
 
On 11/4/2014 3:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/4/14 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good
devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the
cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have
kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we
were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold
that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I
wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball
bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my
possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.




I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the
1940's and 1950's.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.





Conservatives have used the same excuses to fight the end of slavery,
the end of child labor, to fight against giving women the vote, to fight
against the passage of the civil rights act.


Not all conservatives. It seems to only be the hard right.

Those issues, although historically important, are not controversial
now-a-days. Violent, gun related crime and accidents with guns in homes
are.

If gun ownership is important to people, they should be applying their
thought process towards constructive ways to reduce gun crimes and
accidents rather than just reciting the 2nd Amendment and providing
excuses and reasons why nothing can be done.



Mr. Luddite November 4th 14 09:16 PM

Had to share this story
 
On 11/4/2014 4:02 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:41:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.




I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the
1940's and 1950's.

No ****.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.



Honestly, I was not espousing that as the proper way to do things
these days. Nor was it meant to be a reason or excuse for not doing
things your way.

I think most people here wish the laws in existence would be enforced,
rather than piling on more laws to *not* be enforced. Your solution
seems to be lots of paperwork and more beaurocracy, as though that
will make everything hunky-dory.

Just as sad.



Fair enough. What are some of your ideas?



Poco Loco November 4th 14 09:21 PM

Had to share this story
 
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:12:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2014 3:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/4/14 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good
devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the
cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have
kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we
were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold
that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I
wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball
bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my
possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.




I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the
1940's and 1950's.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.





Conservatives have used the same excuses to fight the end of slavery,
the end of child labor, to fight against giving women the vote, to fight
against the passage of the civil rights act.


Not all conservatives. It seems to only be the hard right.

Those issues, although historically important, are not controversial
now-a-days. Violent, gun related crime and accidents with guns in homes
are.

If gun ownership is important to people, they should be applying their
thought process towards constructive ways to reduce gun crimes and
accidents rather than just reciting the 2nd Amendment and providing
excuses and reasons why nothing can be done.


How about better law enforcement? That's *something* that could be
done.

Poco Loco November 4th 14 09:22 PM

Had to share this story
 
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:16:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2014 4:02 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:41:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.




I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the
1940's and 1950's.

No ****.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.



Honestly, I was not espousing that as the proper way to do things
these days. Nor was it meant to be a reason or excuse for not doing
things your way.

I think most people here wish the laws in existence would be enforced,
rather than piling on more laws to *not* be enforced. Your solution
seems to be lots of paperwork and more beaurocracy, as though that
will make everything hunky-dory.

Just as sad.



Fair enough. What are some of your ideas?


Read the first sentence in my second paragraph.

Mr. Luddite November 4th 14 09:34 PM

Had to share this story
 
On 11/4/2014 4:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:12:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2014 3:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/4/14 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good
devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the
cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have
kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we
were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold
that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I
wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball
bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my
possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.




I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the
1940's and 1950's.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.





Conservatives have used the same excuses to fight the end of slavery,
the end of child labor, to fight against giving women the vote, to fight
against the passage of the civil rights act.


Not all conservatives. It seems to only be the hard right.

Those issues, although historically important, are not controversial
now-a-days. Violent, gun related crime and accidents with guns in homes
are.

If gun ownership is important to people, they should be applying their
thought process towards constructive ways to reduce gun crimes and
accidents rather than just reciting the 2nd Amendment and providing
excuses and reasons why nothing can be done.



How about better law enforcement? That's *something* that could be
done.


Ok. How?




Mr. Luddite November 4th 14 10:49 PM

Had to share this story
 
On 11/4/2014 5:01 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.




I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?


Having lived in Hawaii during the late 60's and watching them film Tora
Tora Tora, my dad's ship, yes his ship, was used in the movie. We lived
in the shadows of the Arizona memorial. All we did was play war, we
fought the Japs all of the time. Since fire-crackers were common and you
could buy them in the drug store just about all year round we used to
throw fire crackers at each other all of the time, mostly inside of a
mud ball, not a dripping wet mud ball, just wet enough to stay together
while it could be thrown.

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the
1940's and 1950's.


When you look at it with an objective eye the only thing that has
changed is that everything occurs faster.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.





Nice slam of those who don't agree with you. Have any of us called you
an out and out gun grabber yet?

The 2A is not about reducing gun related crimes and accidents, it is
about protecting yourself from persons who would do you harm and who
would want to disarm you.



If you think my comment was a "slam", so be it. It's truthful.

With the recent exception of John H who suggested enforcing current laws
(although it's questionable that they work to begin with) the only
arguments posted so far are violations of 2A rights and slippery slopes
leading to gun bans. Nobody has acknowledged the problem of gun crimes
or accidents and nobody has any brighter ideas.

Do you?




John H[_15_] November 4th 14 11:01 PM

Had to share this story
 
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:12:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2014 3:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/4/14 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Not all conservatives. It seems to only be the hard right.


Seemed as though there were a lot of Democrats and almost *all* of the Republican senators who voted against stricter gun controls here recently. To say only the 'hard right' is far from accurate.


Califbill November 4th 14 11:09 PM

Had to share this story
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 5:01 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.




I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?


Having lived in Hawaii during the late 60's and watching them film Tora
Tora Tora, my dad's ship, yes his ship, was used in the movie. We lived
in the shadows of the Arizona memorial. All we did was play war, we
fought the Japs all of the time. Since fire-crackers were common and you
could buy them in the drug store just about all year round we used to
throw fire crackers at each other all of the time, mostly inside of a
mud ball, not a dripping wet mud ball, just wet enough to stay together
while it could be thrown.

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the
1940's and 1950's.


When you look at it with an objective eye the only thing that has
changed is that everything occurs faster.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.





Nice slam of those who don't agree with you. Have any of us called you
an out and out gun grabber yet?

The 2A is not about reducing gun related crimes and accidents, it is
about protecting yourself from persons who would do you harm and who
would want to disarm you.



If you think my comment was a "slam", so be it. It's truthful.

With the recent exception of John H who suggested enforcing current laws
(although it's questionable that they work to begin with) the only
arguments posted so far are violations of 2A rights and slippery slopes
leading to gun bans. Nobody has acknowledged the problem of gun crimes
or accidents and nobody has any brighter ideas.

Do you?


Fix the drug war, and most of the gun crime will disappear.

Califbill November 4th 14 11:09 PM

Had to share this story
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 12:07 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part
of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that
involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat.


I grew up in a machine shop environment. At 10 years old, I was a good
machinist. Look at what the kids build out of blocks, etc, and you see
they have the dexterity to handle tools. And does not take a lot of smarts
to use an angle grinder.



Nope but I watched a 35 year old guy slice his stomach open with one.


That smarted!

Califbill November 4th 14 11:09 PM

Had to share this story
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices
similar to useless feel good laws.

Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting
torch.

I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage
it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the
gun


Like to see that vid...


Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools.

There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in
the household.

I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were
raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that
much interest to me.

It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit.
Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment
that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the
recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was
getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a
last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat.

My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it
and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living
breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I
received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession
every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about
it until they were about 14 or 15.





I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the
house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had
three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we
secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys.
Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident.



Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that
glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds
and guts plastering the walls?

Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did?

This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's.

This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many
reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to
reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think
everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad.


I think that most of us would support gun laws if they had a chance to
reduce the violence. But, with as you pointed out the violent movies and
games, and the culture of violence in certain areas, lots related to the
Drug War, we do not see most gun laws being proposed not be other than feel
good ****. No real worth. How many of those teenagers killing other
teenagers and young adults in Chicago, Oakland, Detroit, Bakersfield are
going to be affected by any of these new gun laws? They do not seem to
care about the thousands of gun laws we now have.


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