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On 11/4/2014 3:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/4/14 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. Conservatives have used the same excuses to fight the end of slavery, the end of child labor, to fight against giving women the vote, to fight against the passage of the civil rights act. Not all conservatives. It seems to only be the hard right. Those issues, although historically important, are not controversial now-a-days. Violent, gun related crime and accidents with guns in homes are. If gun ownership is important to people, they should be applying their thought process towards constructive ways to reduce gun crimes and accidents rather than just reciting the 2nd Amendment and providing excuses and reasons why nothing can be done. |
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On 11/4/2014 4:02 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:41:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. No ****. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. Honestly, I was not espousing that as the proper way to do things these days. Nor was it meant to be a reason or excuse for not doing things your way. I think most people here wish the laws in existence would be enforced, rather than piling on more laws to *not* be enforced. Your solution seems to be lots of paperwork and more beaurocracy, as though that will make everything hunky-dory. Just as sad. Fair enough. What are some of your ideas? |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:16:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/4/2014 4:02 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:41:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. No ****. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. Honestly, I was not espousing that as the proper way to do things these days. Nor was it meant to be a reason or excuse for not doing things your way. I think most people here wish the laws in existence would be enforced, rather than piling on more laws to *not* be enforced. Your solution seems to be lots of paperwork and more beaurocracy, as though that will make everything hunky-dory. Just as sad. Fair enough. What are some of your ideas? Read the first sentence in my second paragraph. |
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On 11/4/2014 4:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:12:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/4/2014 3:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/4/14 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. Conservatives have used the same excuses to fight the end of slavery, the end of child labor, to fight against giving women the vote, to fight against the passage of the civil rights act. Not all conservatives. It seems to only be the hard right. Those issues, although historically important, are not controversial now-a-days. Violent, gun related crime and accidents with guns in homes are. If gun ownership is important to people, they should be applying their thought process towards constructive ways to reduce gun crimes and accidents rather than just reciting the 2nd Amendment and providing excuses and reasons why nothing can be done. How about better law enforcement? That's *something* that could be done. Ok. How? |
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On 11/4/2014 5:01 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Having lived in Hawaii during the late 60's and watching them film Tora Tora Tora, my dad's ship, yes his ship, was used in the movie. We lived in the shadows of the Arizona memorial. All we did was play war, we fought the Japs all of the time. Since fire-crackers were common and you could buy them in the drug store just about all year round we used to throw fire crackers at each other all of the time, mostly inside of a mud ball, not a dripping wet mud ball, just wet enough to stay together while it could be thrown. Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. When you look at it with an objective eye the only thing that has changed is that everything occurs faster. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. Nice slam of those who don't agree with you. Have any of us called you an out and out gun grabber yet? The 2A is not about reducing gun related crimes and accidents, it is about protecting yourself from persons who would do you harm and who would want to disarm you. If you think my comment was a "slam", so be it. It's truthful. With the recent exception of John H who suggested enforcing current laws (although it's questionable that they work to begin with) the only arguments posted so far are violations of 2A rights and slippery slopes leading to gun bans. Nobody has acknowledged the problem of gun crimes or accidents and nobody has any brighter ideas. Do you? |
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On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:12:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2014 3:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/4/14 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Not all conservatives. It seems to only be the hard right. Seemed as though there were a lot of Democrats and almost *all* of the Republican senators who voted against stricter gun controls here recently. To say only the 'hard right' is far from accurate. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 5:01 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Having lived in Hawaii during the late 60's and watching them film Tora Tora Tora, my dad's ship, yes his ship, was used in the movie. We lived in the shadows of the Arizona memorial. All we did was play war, we fought the Japs all of the time. Since fire-crackers were common and you could buy them in the drug store just about all year round we used to throw fire crackers at each other all of the time, mostly inside of a mud ball, not a dripping wet mud ball, just wet enough to stay together while it could be thrown. Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. When you look at it with an objective eye the only thing that has changed is that everything occurs faster. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. Nice slam of those who don't agree with you. Have any of us called you an out and out gun grabber yet? The 2A is not about reducing gun related crimes and accidents, it is about protecting yourself from persons who would do you harm and who would want to disarm you. If you think my comment was a "slam", so be it. It's truthful. With the recent exception of John H who suggested enforcing current laws (although it's questionable that they work to begin with) the only arguments posted so far are violations of 2A rights and slippery slopes leading to gun bans. Nobody has acknowledged the problem of gun crimes or accidents and nobody has any brighter ideas. Do you? Fix the drug war, and most of the gun crime will disappear. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 12:07 PM, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. I grew up in a machine shop environment. At 10 years old, I was a good machinist. Look at what the kids build out of blocks, etc, and you see they have the dexterity to handle tools. And does not take a lot of smarts to use an angle grinder. Nope but I watched a 35 year old guy slice his stomach open with one. That smarted! |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/4/2014 2:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:26:22 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 11/4/2014 9:58 AM, KC wrote: On 11/4/2014 9:47 AM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:58:45 -0600, Califbill wrote: You don't give kids enough credit. They are useless feel good devices similar to useless feel good laws. Just go in my garage and get an angle grinder or dremel or the cutting torch. I opened the trigger lock I have with a paper clip and didn't damage it at all. Mom and Dad would have no idea I have free access to the gun Like to see that vid... Me too. Kids using angle grinders, cutting torches and dremel tools. There's another solution. Don't have guns around when you have kids in the household. I never felt a desire or need for having guns in the house while we were raising our three kids. I didn't hunt and guns really didn't hold that much interest to me. It wasn't until about four years ago that I decided to get a permit. Part of the reasoning was because of the great guitar shop experiment that involved carrying a relatively large amount of cash and the recommendation of a lawyer. The other was the recognition that I was getting older, we had already experienced a home invasion and I wanted a last resort means of defending my wife and I other than a baseball bat. My parents gave me a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. I still have it and will have it until the day I die. It has never killed a living breathing animal or human. It has destroyed countless targets. I received the firearm about 41 years ago and it has been in my possession every where I have lived since I received it. My kids didn't know about it until they were about 14 or 15. I was about the same age when I got mine. There were other guns in the house, my dad's, my grandfathers, several shotguns and rifles. I had three younger brothers at the time, and we had no special way we secured the weapons. They were kept in a closet...no lock or keys. Somehow we all lived, and no one had an accident. Uh-Huh. Did you have violent video games and gory movies back then that glorified killing and maiming with blood spurting out of gunshot wounds and guts plastering the walls? Or did you watch Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone like I did? This is a different age and a different society John. It's not the 1940's and 1950's. This thread has amazed me about one thing. It's incredible how many reasons and excuses people can come up with *not* to try anything to reduce gun related crimes or accidents. I guess most people here think everything is just hunky-dory fine the way things are. Sad. I think that most of us would support gun laws if they had a chance to reduce the violence. But, with as you pointed out the violent movies and games, and the culture of violence in certain areas, lots related to the Drug War, we do not see most gun laws being proposed not be other than feel good ****. No real worth. How many of those teenagers killing other teenagers and young adults in Chicago, Oakland, Detroit, Bakersfield are going to be affected by any of these new gun laws? They do not seem to care about the thousands of gun laws we now have. |
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