H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/7/2014 6:49 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/7/14, 1:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 23:14:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

I am tempted to purchase a membership for Harry.

The real question is which magazine would Harry find most offensive,
American Rifleman or American Hunter?



NRA buys lists and solicits names on those lists for new suckers, er,
members. Lots of organizations do that. I used to get NRA snail mail
solicitations. I'd put them in an envelope and mail them back to the
NRA, sans postage. I don't know if they got back to the NRA,
postage-due, but I sure hope so. Wayne LaPierre and his buddies are
thugs.

You are the definition of a hater.



http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/27/do...mes-breitbart/

On 5/8/2014 7:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:


Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.


This is the scary part

Handgun Trigger Safety Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s2068:


In part

(a) Prohibition-

(1) MANUFACTURING- Beginning on the date that is 2 years after
the date of enactment of this Act, no person may manufacture in the
United States a handgun that is not a personalized handgun.

(2) DISTRIBUTION IN COMMERCE- Beginning on the date that is 3
years after the date of enactment of this Act, no person may
distribute in commerce any handgun that is not a personalized handgun
or a retrofitted personalized handgun.

(3) EXEMPTIONS FOR ANTIQUE FIREARMS AND MILITARY FIREARMS-
Paragraphs (1) and (2) shall not apply to--

(A) an antique firearm;

(B) the manufacture of a firearm that is sold to the
Department of Defense; or

(C) the sale or distribution of a firearm to the
Department of Defense.



It figures that this bill would originate from people like Markey and
Elizabeth Warren, two of the most left leaning MA politicians in office.

There is another bill .. H.R.2005 that is even more onerous with regard
to existing firearms. Sponsored by another MA Democrat, John Tierney,
the prohibitions read:

(1) effective 2 years after the date of the enactment of this
Act, handguns manufactured in the United States must be personalized
handguns; and

(2) effective 3 years after the date of the enactment of this
Act, handguns sold, offered for sale, traded, transferred, shipped,
leased, or distributed in the United States must be--

(A) personalized handguns, if manufactured on or after the
effective date in paragraph (1); or

(B) retrofitted personalized handguns, if manufactured
before the effective date in paragraph (1).


I read that as meaning that after three years *all* gun sales, new and
old, including private sales and even a simple transfer of ownership
(give firearm to family member) will require the firearm to be
"Personalized", either by design or by retrofit.

On 5/8/14, 7:10 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:

Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.

This is the sweetheart of the smart gun set

http://www.armatix.us/iW1-active-RFI...80.0.html?&L=7

the German-made Armatix iP1 gun requires the user to wear a
radio-controlled wris****ch, which uses microchips to communicate with
the firearm via a PIN code. But, as soon as the gun loses contact with
the watch—i.e. knocked out of the shooter's hand—it will automatically
deactivate itself, according to the company's website.

Armatix's Smart System also acts as a sort-of LoJack for the gun,
which can be tracked online if lost or stolen. For practice, turn on
the optional Target Control setting, and the weapon will function only
when pointed at a "permitted" target.

Not much of a home defense gun huh?

The accompanying waterproof watch, meanwhile, showcases the watch and
weapon's charge levels, offers time-controlled weapon deactivation,
and comes with interchangeable straps, as well as enough power to
handle 5,000 rounds or a minimum one year of standby. It also tells
the local time.

According to the International Business Times, the iP1 set is on sale
in California for about $1,800—$1,399 for the gun, and another $399
for the watch.
The .22 LR caliber Armatix iP1 pistol comes with a 10-round magazine,
various operating modes, and boasts an operating distance of up to 10
inches.



The technology will advance, if not here then overseas.

Homicide via gun, rate per 100,000 residents

USA 4.2

Germany 0.8

At some point the citizens of this country will have had enough of
murder by gun.

On 5/8/14, 7:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:


Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.


This is the scary part

Handgun Trigger Safety Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s2068:


In part

(a) Prohibition-

(1) MANUFACTURING- Beginning on the date that is 2 years after
the date of enactment of this Act, no person may manufacture in the
United States a handgun that is not a personalized handgun.

(2) DISTRIBUTION IN COMMERCE- Beginning on the date that is 3
years after the date of enactment of this Act, no person may
distribute in commerce any handgun that is not a personalized handgun
or a retrofitted personalized handgun.

(3) EXEMPTIONS FOR ANTIQUE FIREARMS AND MILITARY FIREARMS-
Paragraphs (1) and (2) shall not apply to--

(A) an antique firearm;

(B) the manufacture of a firearm that is sold to the
Department of Defense; or

(C) the sale or distribution of a firearm to the
Department of Defense.



Ahh, BertPoop, the John Bircher wannabe who for months convinced himself
I couldn't buy a new regulated pistol from a licensed dealer in this state.

On 5/8/14, 7:23 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2014 19:16:07 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:


Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.


This is the scary part

Handgun Trigger Safety Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s2068:


In part

(a) Prohibition-

(1) MANUFACTURING- Beginning on the date that is 2 years after
the date of enactment of this Act, no person may manufacture in the
United States a handgun that is not a personalized handgun.

(2) DISTRIBUTION IN COMMERCE- Beginning on the date that is 3
years after the date of enactment of this Act, no person may
distribute in commerce any handgun that is not a personalized handgun
or a retrofitted personalized handgun.

(3) EXEMPTIONS FOR ANTIQUE FIREARMS AND MILITARY FIREARMS-
Paragraphs (1) and (2) shall not apply to--

(A) an antique firearm;

(B) the manufacture of a firearm that is sold to the
Department of Defense; or

(C) the sale or distribution of a firearm to the
Department of Defense.

The next paragraph to be added:

(4) OWNERSHIP-Beginning on the date that is 4 years after the date of enactment of this Act,
no person may own any handgun that is not a personalized handgun or a retrofitted personalized
handgun.

--- I wonder how they'd 'retrofit' a Sig Sauer P226?



You still have the SIG? By now, I thought you would have sold it.

On 5/8/14, 8:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/8/2014 7:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:


Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.


This is the scary part

Handgun Trigger Safety Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s2068:


In part

(a) Prohibition-

(1) MANUFACTURING- Beginning on the date that is 2 years after
the date of enactment of this Act, no person may manufacture in the
United States a handgun that is not a personalized handgun.

(2) DISTRIBUTION IN COMMERCE- Beginning on the date that is 3
years after the date of enactment of this Act, no person may
distribute in commerce any handgun that is not a personalized handgun
or a retrofitted personalized handgun.

(3) EXEMPTIONS FOR ANTIQUE FIREARMS AND MILITARY FIREARMS-
Paragraphs (1) and (2) shall not apply to--

(A) an antique firearm;

(B) the manufacture of a firearm that is sold to the
Department of Defense; or

(C) the sale or distribution of a firearm to the
Department of Defense.



It figures that this bill would originate from people like Markey and
Elizabeth Warren, two of the most left leaning MA politicians in office.

There is another bill .. H.R.2005 that is even more onerous with regard
to existing firearms. Sponsored by another MA Democrat, John Tierney,
the prohibitions read:

(1) effective 2 years after the date of the enactment of this
Act, handguns manufactured in the United States must be personalized
handguns; and

(2) effective 3 years after the date of the enactment of this
Act, handguns sold, offered for sale, traded, transferred, shipped,
leased, or distributed in the United States must be--

(A) personalized handguns, if manufactured on or after the
effective date in paragraph (1); or

(B) retrofitted personalized handguns, if manufactured
before the effective date in paragraph (1).


I read that as meaning that after three years *all* gun sales, new and
old, including private sales and even a simple transfer of ownership
(give firearm to family member) will require the firearm to be
"Personalized", either by design or by retrofit.



Good idea.

On 5/8/2014 8:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/8/14, 8:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/8/2014 7:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:


Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.


This is the scary part

Handgun Trigger Safety Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s2068:


In part

(a) Prohibition-

(1) MANUFACTURING- Beginning on the date that is 2 years after
the date of enactment of this Act, no person may manufacture in the
United States a handgun that is not a personalized handgun.

(2) DISTRIBUTION IN COMMERCE- Beginning on the date that is 3
years after the date of enactment of this Act, no person may
distribute in commerce any handgun that is not a personalized handgun
or a retrofitted personalized handgun.

(3) EXEMPTIONS FOR ANTIQUE FIREARMS AND MILITARY FIREARMS-
Paragraphs (1) and (2) shall not apply to--

(A) an antique firearm;

(B) the manufacture of a firearm that is sold to the
Department of Defense; or

(C) the sale or distribution of a firearm to the
Department of Defense.



It figures that this bill would originate from people like Markey and
Elizabeth Warren, two of the most left leaning MA politicians in office.

There is another bill .. H.R.2005 that is even more onerous with regard
to existing firearms. Sponsored by another MA Democrat, John Tierney,
the prohibitions read:

(1) effective 2 years after the date of the enactment of this
Act, handguns manufactured in the United States must be personalized
handguns; and

(2) effective 3 years after the date of the enactment of this
Act, handguns sold, offered for sale, traded, transferred, shipped,
leased, or distributed in the United States must be--

(A) personalized handguns, if manufactured on or after the
effective date in paragraph (1); or

(B) retrofitted personalized handguns, if manufactured
before the effective date in paragraph (1).


I read that as meaning that after three years *all* gun sales, new and
old, including private sales and even a simple transfer of ownership
(give firearm to family member) will require the firearm to be
"Personalized", either by design or by retrofit.




Good idea.

It's not a good idea. In fact it's about the dumbest, but totally
predictable brain farts you expect to come from phony do-gooders who are
simply betting on their political popularity and futures while making a
name for themselves.

Just like Hillary.

There are about 300 million privately owned firearms in the USA. Do you
seriously think that as many are sold, transferred or inherited that
they will all be voluntarily retrofitted with "Personalization" devices
by a populace that overwhelmingly supports the right to own firearms
without excessive federal government regulation?

Makes for good press for the liberal do-gooders but makes absolutely no
practical sense what-so-ever.

How about applying some of that political influence towards the
enforcement of existing laws?

On 5/8/2014 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2014 20:44:49 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/8/14, 7:10 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:

Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.

This is the sweetheart of the smart gun set

http://www.armatix.us/iW1-active-RFI...80.0.html?&L=7

the German-made Armatix iP1 gun requires the user to wear a
radio-controlled wris****ch, which uses microchips to communicate with
the firearm via a PIN code. But, as soon as the gun loses contact with
the watch—i.e. knocked out of the shooter's hand—it will automatically
deactivate itself, according to the company's website.

Armatix's Smart System also acts as a sort-of LoJack for the gun,
which can be tracked online if lost or stolen. For practice, turn on
the optional Target Control setting, and the weapon will function only
when pointed at a "permitted" target.

Not much of a home defense gun huh?

The accompanying waterproof watch, meanwhile, showcases the watch and
weapon's charge levels, offers time-controlled weapon deactivation,
and comes with interchangeable straps, as well as enough power to
handle 5,000 rounds or a minimum one year of standby. It also tells
the local time.

According to the International Business Times, the iP1 set is on sale
in California for about $1,800—$1,399 for the gun, and another $399
for the watch.
The .22 LR caliber Armatix iP1 pistol comes with a 10-round magazine,
various operating modes, and boasts an operating distance of up to 10
inches.



The technology will advance, if not here then overseas.

Homicide via gun, rate per 100,000 residents

USA 4.2

Germany 0.8

At some point the citizens of this country will have had enough of
murder by gun.

How would this bull**** scheme stop ONE murder by gun?
If it is my gun, I have the secret decoder ring and if I stole the gun
I would just jumper the "smart chip" out.

You can bet it's just another way to put reputable gun companies out of
business, and of course each and every retrofit would be recorded and
that information given to any liberal organization that might ask...

On 5/8/2014 9:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2014 20:03:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/8/2014 7:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:


Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.


This is the scary part

Handgun Trigger Safety Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s2068:


In part

(a) Prohibition-

(1) MANUFACTURING- Beginning on the date that is 2 years after
the date of enactment of this Act, no person may manufacture in the
United States a handgun that is not a personalized handgun.

(2) DISTRIBUTION IN COMMERCE- Beginning on the date that is 3
years after the date of enactment of this Act, no person may
distribute in commerce any handgun that is not a personalized handgun
or a retrofitted personalized handgun.

(3) EXEMPTIONS FOR ANTIQUE FIREARMS AND MILITARY FIREARMS-
Paragraphs (1) and (2) shall not apply to--

(A) an antique firearm;

(B) the manufacture of a firearm that is sold to the
Department of Defense; or

(C) the sale or distribution of a firearm to the
Department of Defense.



It figures that this bill would originate from people like Markey and
Elizabeth Warren, two of the most left leaning MA politicians in office.

There is another bill .. H.R.2005 that is even more onerous with regard
to existing firearms. Sponsored by another MA Democrat, John Tierney,
the prohibitions read:

(1) effective 2 years after the date of the enactment of this
Act, handguns manufactured in the United States must be personalized
handguns; and

(2) effective 3 years after the date of the enactment of this
Act, handguns sold, offered for sale, traded, transferred, shipped,
leased, or distributed in the United States must be--

(A) personalized handguns, if manufactured on or after the
effective date in paragraph (1); or

(B) retrofitted personalized handguns, if manufactured
before the effective date in paragraph (1).


I read that as meaning that after three years *all* gun sales, new and
old, including private sales and even a simple transfer of ownership
(give firearm to family member) will require the firearm to be
"Personalized", either by design or by retrofit.


That is the same language as they use in the Markey bill.



It's a little different ... compare (2). The Markey bill prohibits
*commerce* distribution 3 years after passage unless equipped or
retro-fitted. The Tierney bill *all* distribution ... commercial
sales, private sales, trades, transfers, etc. unless manufacturer
equipped or retro-fitted with a personalization device.

On Thu, 08 May 2014 20:44:49 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/8/14, 7:10 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:18 -0400, BAR wrote:

Don't confuse Harry with the facts.

The problem with RFID is that you become a walking billboard something
akin to carrying a cell phone every where you go announcing your
presence to anyone who wants to know.

This is the sweetheart of the smart gun set

http://www.armatix.us/iW1-active-RFI...80.0.html?&L=7

the German-made Armatix iP1 gun requires the user to wear a
radio-controlled wris****ch, which uses microchips to communicate with
the firearm via a PIN code. But, as soon as the gun loses contact with
the watch—i.e. knocked out of the shooter's hand—it will automatically
deactivate itself, according to the company's website.

Armatix's Smart System also acts as a sort-of LoJack for the gun,
which can be tracked online if lost or stolen. For practice, turn on
the optional Target Control setting, and the weapon will function only
when pointed at a "permitted" target.

Not much of a home defense gun huh?

The accompanying waterproof watch, meanwhile, showcases the watch and
weapon's charge levels, offers time-controlled weapon deactivation,
and comes with interchangeable straps, as well as enough power to
handle 5,000 rounds or a minimum one year of standby. It also tells
the local time.

According to the International Business Times, the iP1 set is on sale
in California for about $1,800—$1,399 for the gun, and another $399
for the watch.
The .22 LR caliber Armatix iP1 pistol comes with a 10-round magazine,
various operating modes, and boasts an operating distance of up to 10
inches.





The technology will advance, if not here then overseas.

Homicide via gun, rate per 100,000 residents

USA 4.2

Germany 0.8

At some point the citizens of this country will have had enough of
murder by gun.


Meaningless until you differentiate homicide rates by type, meaning
unintentional, accident or by intent. I can see where a "personalized"
handgun might be safer in a house where unauthorized access to it is
available but so is storing a conventional handgun in a secure safe
..... which is the law, at least in Massachusetts ... when not in your
personal custody and control.