On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:09:21 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

Even the NRA is now admitting that the ammo shortage and resulting
higher prices was and remains due to hoarding by the public. Sorta
blows a hole through all the government "conspiracy" theories that at
least one individual here was promoting.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/17/the-nra-reveals-whos-to-blame-for-ammo-shortage-yo.aspx

There is plenty of ammo available. The issue most people have is that it is expensive. If you
want to buy 10,000 rounds of 5.56 you can have it on your door step by the end of the week.


..22 is still pretty hard to find.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:20:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a Ruger .177 pellet rifle but recently gave it to my son-in-law.
It shoots lead pellets at a muzzle velocity of 1200 fps and the "high
velocity" type pellets at 1400 fps. When fired, it is louder than my
.22LR rifle (also a Ruger).

===

That's because the pellet is breaking the sound barrier and creating a
shock wave. If you could tune the velocity down to a bit under 1000
fps it would be a lot quieter.

On 2/18/2014 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:20:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/18/2014 8:06 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:15:50 AM UTC-6, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , lid says...



On 2/17/2014 5:36 PM, Boating All Out wrote:



I don't "stock up" on ammo. Don't use it.

Had an uncle that would stock up his favorite beer when it went on sale.



I have a lifetime supply. There's about a half a can left of my 5mm

Sheridan air rifle pellets. It held 500 rounds when I got it about 50

years ago.



My Crossman ammo dried up. Good target and varmint pistol.

Mice.

Crosman makes great stuff anymore. their .177 "Cock and pull" pellet rifles hit just as hard as a .22.


I had a Ruger .177 pellet rifle but recently gave it to my son-in-law.
It shoots lead pellets at a muzzle velocity of 1200 fps and the "high
velocity" type pellets at 1400 fps. When fired, it is louder than my
.22LR rifle (also a Ruger).


Gamo is making silenced pellet guns these days. Since it is not a
"firearm" they can put a .22 style suppressor on it without running
afoul of NFA34


I am not sure why the pellet gun is louder than the .22LR rifle. Both
have supersonic velocities as the round leaves the barrel. The pellet
gun might have a slightly higher velocity depending on what type of ammo
is used in the .22 rifle (standard or high velocity). It can't be mass
because the .22 is bigger. Beats me.

Of course the velocity at 25 yards or more is going to be much different
between the two.

Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:09:21 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...
Even the NRA is now admitting that the ammo shortage and resulting
higher prices was and remains due to hoarding by the public. Sorta
blows a hole through all the government "conspiracy" theories that at
least one individual here was promoting.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/17/the-nra-reveals-whos-to-blame-for-ammo-shortage-yo.aspx
There is plenty of ammo available. The issue most people have is that it is expensive. If you
want to buy 10,000 rounds of 5.56 you can have it on your door step by the end of the week.

.22 is still pretty hard to find.

http://www.wikiarms.com/group/22lr

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:04:34 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:09:21 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...
Even the NRA is now admitting that the ammo shortage and resulting
higher prices was and remains due to hoarding by the public. Sorta
blows a hole through all the government "conspiracy" theories that at
least one individual here was promoting.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/17/the-nra-reveals-whos-to-blame-for-ammo-shortage-yo.aspx
There is plenty of ammo available. The issue most people have is that it is expensive. If you
want to buy 10,000 rounds of 5.56 you can have it on your door step by the end of the week.

.22 is still pretty hard to find.

http://www.wikiarms.com/group/22lr

Whoa! Thanks. I've bookmarked that page.

On 2/18/2014 9:00 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:34:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/18/2014 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:20:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/18/2014 8:06 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:15:50 AM UTC-6, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , lid says...



On 2/17/2014 5:36 PM, Boating All Out wrote:



I don't "stock up" on ammo. Don't use it.

Had an uncle that would stock up his favorite beer when it went on sale.



I have a lifetime supply. There's about a half a can left of my 5mm

Sheridan air rifle pellets. It held 500 rounds when I got it about 50

years ago.



My Crossman ammo dried up. Good target and varmint pistol.

Mice.

Crosman makes great stuff anymore. their .177 "Cock and pull" pellet rifles hit just as hard as a .22.


I had a Ruger .177 pellet rifle but recently gave it to my son-in-law.
It shoots lead pellets at a muzzle velocity of 1200 fps and the "high
velocity" type pellets at 1400 fps. When fired, it is louder than my
.22LR rifle (also a Ruger).


Gamo is making silenced pellet guns these days. Since it is not a
"firearm" they can put a .22 style suppressor on it without running
afoul of NFA34


I am not sure why the pellet gun is louder than the .22LR rifle. Both
have supersonic velocities as the round leaves the barrel. The pellet
gun might have a slightly higher velocity depending on what type of ammo
is used in the .22 rifle (standard or high velocity). It can't be mass
because the .22 is bigger. Beats me.

Of course the velocity at 25 yards or more is going to be much different
between the two.


It depends on the .22 ammo. I have some 65 gr .22rf that is pretty
quiet out of a rifle. Better than my Sheridan .177 pumped up to oh
wow.


My understanding though is that the "crack" is the round going
supersonic as it leaves the barrel. Breaking the sound barrier thing.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:00:04 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:34:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/18/2014 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:20:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/18/2014 8:06 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:15:50 AM UTC-6, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , lid says...



On 2/17/2014 5:36 PM, Boating All Out wrote:



I don't "stock up" on ammo. Don't use it.

Had an uncle that would stock up his favorite beer when it went on sale.



I have a lifetime supply. There's about a half a can left of my 5mm

Sheridan air rifle pellets. It held 500 rounds when I got it about 50

years ago.



My Crossman ammo dried up. Good target and varmint pistol.

Mice.

Crosman makes great stuff anymore. their .177 "Cock and pull" pellet rifles hit just as hard as a .22.


I had a Ruger .177 pellet rifle but recently gave it to my son-in-law.
It shoots lead pellets at a muzzle velocity of 1200 fps and the "high
velocity" type pellets at 1400 fps. When fired, it is louder than my
.22LR rifle (also a Ruger).


Gamo is making silenced pellet guns these days. Since it is not a
"firearm" they can put a .22 style suppressor on it without running
afoul of NFA34


I am not sure why the pellet gun is louder than the .22LR rifle. Both
have supersonic velocities as the round leaves the barrel. The pellet
gun might have a slightly higher velocity depending on what type of ammo
is used in the .22 rifle (standard or high velocity). It can't be mass
because the .22 is bigger. Beats me.

Of course the velocity at 25 yards or more is going to be much different
between the two.


It depends on the .22 ammo. I have some 65 gr .22rf that is pretty
quiet out of a rifle. Better than my Sheridan .177 pumped up to oh
wow.

That Gamo air rifle with a silencer is carried by WalMart. Saw one there today as I was pricing new
tires.

In article , says...

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:09:21 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

Even the NRA is now admitting that the ammo shortage and resulting
higher prices was and remains due to hoarding by the public. Sorta
blows a hole through all the government "conspiracy" theories that at
least one individual here was promoting.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/17/the-nra-reveals-whos-to-blame-for-ammo-shortage-yo.aspx

There is plenty of ammo available. The issue most people have is that it is expensive. If you
want to buy 10,000 rounds of 5.56 you can have it on your door step by the end of the week.


.22 is still pretty hard to find.

That is true but, 9mm, 40, 45, 223/5.56 is available.

In article , says...

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:04:34 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:09:21 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...
Even the NRA is now admitting that the ammo shortage and resulting
higher prices was and remains due to hoarding by the public. Sorta
blows a hole through all the government "conspiracy" theories that at
least one individual here was promoting.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/17/the-nra-reveals-whos-to-blame-for-ammo-shortage-yo.aspx
There is plenty of ammo available. The issue most people have is that it is expensive. If you
want to buy 10,000 rounds of 5.56 you can have it on your door step by the end of the week.

.22 is still pretty hard to find.

http://www.wikiarms.com/group/22lr

Whoa! Thanks. I've bookmarked that page.

You might like gunbot a little better.

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rimfire/22lr/

wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:24:06 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:04:34 -0500, Earl__ wrote:


http://www.wikiarms.com/group/22lr

Whoa! Thanks. I've bookmarked that page.

You might like gunbot a little better.

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rimfire/22lr/

Everything less than 16 cents a shot is sold out.

That is still pretty spendy for .22 rf

Getting to the price of reloading center fire.