On 2/14/2014 11:30 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:16 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 10:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I remember reading a motorcycle safety article years ago. When riding,
the bike will track in the direction you are looking, simply due to
unconscious reactions you make to seeing road ahead or objects on or in
it. If you see and concentrate on a big pothole coming up in the road,
you will naturally tend to head for it initially. That's where
understanding effects like counter-steering becomes important.

When we discuss this with our riders I call it "situational fixation"...
the kids just call it "ohhhh shiny"


Do you recall when we came across an alligator in the middle of the road
on a curve. I forget how we instinctively dealt with that obstacle.


It just comes naturally for me too like the day I hit that huge chunk of
frozen slush... Had to countersteer and back and fourth a few times till
the bike settled... But really I didn't do anything, my weight was fixed
in a direction so the bike moved under me, I just stayed loose and let
the geometry of my front end do the rest


F'in magic.

On 2/15/2014 12:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:16 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 10:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 10:14 AM, BAR wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 2/14/2014 9:30 AM, KC wrote:
Yup, counter steer, then steer, then countersteer again.... got it...
but not "through the corner".. your own pics are clear.... thanks....

I hope you can remember all that in the middle of a critical turn.

I rode a motorcycle on the roads for about 5 years. I never thought
about how to steer
through the corners, it came naturally maybe due to all of the bicycle
riding that I had been
performing in the preceeding 20 years.


You just said it in a nutshell. It becomes intuitive because you
learned its how you get around a curve. You don't even realize what you
are doing until you really think about it or we get in a discussion like
this.

The reason it became intuitive is because without counter-steering ..
you crashed.

However, understanding what counter-steering is all about can get you
out of an unexpected dangerous situation, like avoiding a deer or
something that fell out of the back of a pickup truck.

I remember reading a motorcycle safety article years ago. When riding,
the bike will track in the direction you are looking, simply due to
unconscious reactions you make to seeing road ahead or objects on or in
it. If you see and concentrate on a big pothole coming up in the road,
you will naturally tend to head for it initially. That's where
understanding effects like counter-steering becomes important.


Do you recall when we came across an alligator in the middle of the road
on a curve. I forget how we instinctively dealt with that obstacle.


I think we pulled a wheelie to get the front wheel over him and then
when it came back down, locked the front brake and lifted the rear wheel
over him. Not too hard on my Softail but it looked kinda funny on your
Goldwing.



Ya. It's all coming back to me now.

On 2/13/2014 5:01 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I do like the Isle of Man motorcycle races, which are also dangerous, of
course, but they're more appealing to me. I also like to watch flat
track motorcycle racing.

I think Isle of Man is much more thrilling to watch and I used to ride
motocross. My brother raced MX for a while and it was not at all kind
to his body as he got older. I have significant painful back problems
but he has much more serious issues. My daughter has a good friend who
is now a disabled quadriplegic.

College is a better choice in the long run.

On 2/13/2014 8:13 AM, KC wrote:

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...

Yes you are, every correction within the turn is accomplished that way.

Leaning by itself is nowhere near effective or fast enough. I've never
seen a rider violently throwing his torso left and right to avoid a
slight handlebar adjustment. (*perhaps* as a last resort in a long rut/berm)

You position your weight on the bike for the best *average* center of
mass for the turn which changes more slowly.

Hey, maybe you should design a custom bike without handle-bars, think of
the weight savings and lower COG.

On 2/15/14, 5:59 PM, thumper wrote:
On 2/13/2014 5:01 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I do like the Isle of Man motorcycle races, which are also dangerous, of
course, but they're more appealing to me. I also like to watch flat
track motorcycle racing.

I think Isle of Man is much more thrilling to watch and I used to ride
motocross. My brother raced MX for a while and it was not at all kind
to his body as he got older. I have significant painful back problems
but he has much more serious issues. My daughter has a good friend who
is now a disabled quadriplegic.

College is a better choice in the long run.



I wouldn't mind attending the races and riding the course at a sane
speed a few times, just for grins. I think you have to really not give a
**** about your body if you ride motorcross...the potential of damage to
the spine is significant.

On 2/15/2014 5:59 PM, thumper wrote:
On 2/13/2014 5:01 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I do like the Isle of Man motorcycle races, which are also dangerous, of
course, but they're more appealing to me. I also like to watch flat
track motorcycle racing.

I think Isle of Man is much more thrilling to watch and I used to ride
motocross. My brother raced MX for a while and it was not at all kind
to his body as he got older. I have significant painful back problems
but he has much more serious issues. My daughter has a good friend who
is now a disabled quadriplegic.

College is a better choice in the long run.

Harry's a watcher. He's never in any danger.

On 3/11/14, 8:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 23:22:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

For all of you Win XP fans, and I am one of them, you should know that
Microsoft is dropping support soon.


Another spin on this from one of my trade rags

XP, END OF AN ERA?


Embedded systems and devices based on Windows XP Embedded will soon be
facing the termination of Microsoft support. Unlike desktop systems,
embedded devices have been developed for dedicated applications that
are intended for life cycles of up to ten years or more. Many of these
systems have also undergone certification in certain specific
application areas and cannot simply adopt a new version of the OS
without a long, complex and costly recertification. Lacking Microsoft
support, there is still a strong need for support to delay end of life
for these devices in much the same sense that there are independent
vendors that offer such support for hardware components. In this case,
it will require companies stepping to the plate who can provide
ongoing support, maintenance and updates for XP Embedded-based
systems;



RTC Magazine, Tom Williams, editor-in-chief




Well, there you go...*You* can provide tech support for the dead OS.