On 2/13/14, 11:19 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:26:58 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.

Well then harry, why not tell us the details of how you became a beta
tester for Microsoft? You got a minute right?



I filled out a form that was sent to me by Microsoft in the 1980s, maybe
1986 or so, when I was an every other week or so contributor to a weekly
computer magazine called, surprisingly, PC Week. After a while, I was
offered a contract by PC Week. At that time, Windows was simply an
add-on to MS-DOS. I also wrote a few hardware reviews for PC Magazine,
BYTE (always my favorite) and one or two other publications.

PC Week looked like this:

http://tinyurl.com/dh8jzh

What were you doing computer-wise in the mid-1980s?


--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.

On 2/13/14, 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to
become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were
groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He
seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.




I spend a lot of time when motorcycling making sure I am watching out
for cars, crap in the road, and deer crossing. I don't think there is
enough time left to practice what Scotty claims works on dirt bikes
running at low speeds on mounds of dirt. I don't ride on mounds of dirt.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to
become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were
groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He
seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.


If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your
brain.. sorry...

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:15:23 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 1:03 PM, wrote:

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:16:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:22:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:







On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM, wrote:







I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing



all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash



players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln.











You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car?







Really?







Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car stereo.







I guess that Vega you have doesn't have a factory sound system with an



MP3 player, 6 pack CD, Nav and blue tooth to your phone.



Take a ride in your wife's car sometime.



A grand is really not much for the entertainment system upgrade on a



nice car.



If I was an Apple guy I would say it was free since it was bundled in



the price of a trim package in the Lincoln but that unit was $900 and



change if you put it in your F150.



Can you talk to your Ipod (and does it listen?). Does it mute and



switch over to the phone on command or when you have an incoming call?



Does it bluetooth to your smart phone so you can listen to web casts?







The wife's LS460 has the Mark Levinson sound system in it. Not cheap, but awesome.





Can it do this?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc_LWWgPi0E

LOL! I don't think so, but she doesn't need it. She has me!

On 2/13/14, 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:33:16 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

What were you doing computer-wise in the mid-1980s?

Writing an inventory system for our store in dBase, among other
things.
dBase was actually the application that made my computer more than a
fancy typewriter.
I played around with BASIC and ASSEMBLER a little but dBase is what
made my PC productive.
I got an early release of dBase III in the early 80s through IBM but I
didn't really use it much until the fixes made it stable.
The programming language in dBase made it possible to write a total
system but sometime you still needed a DOS call to get to some
hardware (like my bar code printer)


I don't remember why, but I ended up using R-Base.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/13/14, 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:46:08 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/13/14, 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:33:16 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

What were you doing computer-wise in the mid-1980s?

Writing an inventory system for our store in dBase, among other
things.
dBase was actually the application that made my computer more than a
fancy typewriter.
I played around with BASIC and ASSEMBLER a little but dBase is what
made my PC productive.
I got an early release of dBase III in the early 80s through IBM but I
didn't really use it much until the fixes made it stable.
The programming language in dBase made it possible to write a total
system but sometime you still needed a DOS call to get to some
hardware (like my bar code printer)


I don't remember why, but I ended up using R-Base.

Didn't want to spend the $400? (or whatever the A/T price was)

Most of the people using FoxBase, Xbase, Clipper or whatever just
balked at the price. I liked the dBase developer edition because you
could compile your dBase program as an EXE file and anyone could run
it. It made it a lot easier for IBM because we did not have licensing
problems when I gave programs to other offices and everyone did not
have to actually have dBase installed.
We had a pretty active dBase community in the VM forums. A couple of
my routines had fairly wide distribution.



Actually, I think I wrote a review of R-Base for PC Week, and the
software's publisher sent me a copy gratis for the review. I got most of
my software that way. I'd send clips of my reviews, and I'd get software
and review it for various publications. The software publishers never
wanted the review copies back.

These days, I am using Filemaker Pro, but it's real overkill since all I
do with it is maintain a few editorial databases for clients.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/13/14, 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:40:24 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/13/14, 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:46:08 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/13/14, 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:33:16 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

What were you doing computer-wise in the mid-1980s?

Writing an inventory system for our store in dBase, among other
things.
dBase was actually the application that made my computer more than a
fancy typewriter.
I played around with BASIC and ASSEMBLER a little but dBase is what
made my PC productive.
I got an early release of dBase III in the early 80s through IBM but I
didn't really use it much until the fixes made it stable.
The programming language in dBase made it possible to write a total
system but sometime you still needed a DOS call to get to some
hardware (like my bar code printer)


I don't remember why, but I ended up using R-Base.

Didn't want to spend the $400? (or whatever the A/T price was)

Most of the people using FoxBase, Xbase, Clipper or whatever just
balked at the price. I liked the dBase developer edition because you
could compile your dBase program as an EXE file and anyone could run
it. It made it a lot easier for IBM because we did not have licensing
problems when I gave programs to other offices and everyone did not
have to actually have dBase installed.
We had a pretty active dBase community in the VM forums. A couple of
my routines had fairly wide distribution.



Actually, I think I wrote a review of R-Base for PC Week, and the
software's publisher sent me a copy gratis for the review. I got most of
my software that way. I'd send clips of my reviews, and I'd get software
and review it for various publications. The software publishers never
wanted the review copies back.

These days, I am using Filemaker Pro, but it's real overkill since all I
do with it is maintain a few editorial databases for clients.

I guess you did remember then ;-)

I got most of that sort of thing from IBM although the first copy of
dBase III came from the department of agriculture. My buddy was in
charge of trying to consolidate all of their databases into a few
platforms and he was always getting evaluation software. He had a
couple copies of dBase in the shrink wrap under his desk. They were
really trying to keep these things "in the cloud" on a server they
could control with one suite of software. It never happened.
After 30 years, at that job, they had more platforms that would not
talk to each other than they had when he started with several
mainframe vendors and a bunch of PC based solutions..
You just can't teach the government new tricks and everyone has his
own empire.


I sort of remember. I certainly didn't buy R-Base. Or WordPerfect.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to
become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were
groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He
seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow
down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the
same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't
steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.


If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your
brain.. sorry...





Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't.

On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else
but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to
become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were
groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He
seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda
Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow
down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you
have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if
you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the
same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't
steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very
general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.


If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your
brain.. sorry...





Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't.

Right.... you are totally superior. Glad I was never one of your
teachers.... you don't listen well... I accepted the gyro theory
yesterday, understood it well.. John said "through" a corner that was
the debate, you are just spewing and listening to yourself....