For all of you Win XP fans, and I am one of them, you should know that
Microsoft is dropping support soon. The implications are that it
will be increasingly difficult to run new hardware and software.
Additionally there will be no new fixes for security vulnerabilities.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help?ocid=XPEOS_SEM_google_FAM_WINDOWS_BRAND_NULL_ LEARN_win%20xp%20end%20of%20life&wt.mc_id=XPEOS_SE M_google_FAM_WINDOWS_BRAND_NULL_LEARN_win%20xp%20e nd%20of%20life

Anyone looking for an inexpensive way to upgrade both hardware and
software at the same time should take a look at this deal:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2416685&SRCCODE=WEBCRITAP&cm_mmc _o=-KeCjC2ybfwBCjCqHa-q7HaGW7CjC-gfbMw%20VkAl&utm_source=Criteo&utm_medium=CPC%2BBa nner&utm_content=Active%2BPlus&utm_campaign=retarg eting

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger
is not usually even the best place to look.

===

Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more.

On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger
is not usually even the best place to look.

===

Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more.

That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth
that much.
They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker)
You are probably going to have to reload it.
Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't
come with the disks a retail customer gets.
You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off
lease HP XP machine.
It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers.



A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer
swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the
same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the
Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I
saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to
notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a
64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 23:22:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

For all of you Win XP fans, and I am one of them, you should know that
Microsoft is dropping support soon. The implications are that it
will be increasingly difficult to run new hardware and software.
Additionally there will be no new fixes for security vulnerabilities.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help?ocid=XPEOS_SEM_google_FAM_WINDOWS_BRAND_NULL_ LEARN_win%20xp%20end%20of%20life&wt.mc_id=XPEOS_SE M_google_FAM_WINDOWS_BRAND_NULL_LEARN_win%20xp%20e nd%20of%20life

Anyone looking for an inexpensive way to upgrade both hardware and
software at the same time should take a look at this deal:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2416685&SRCCODE=WEBCRITAP&cm_mmc _o=-KeCjC2ybfwBCjCqHa-q7HaGW7CjC-gfbMw%20VkAl&utm_source=Criteo&utm_medium=CPC%2BBa nner&utm_content=Active%2BPlus&utm_campaign=retarg eting

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I've got the E8400 at 3.0GHz, and it's upright. But, that's not a bad deal. If I had kids at home I
might have considered it. I'll send the info to my daughters. They may be interested for their kids.

Thanks.

On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7 professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger
is not usually even the best place to look.

===

Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more.

That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth
that much.
They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker)
You are probably going to have to reload it.
Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't
come with the disks a retail customer gets.
You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off
lease HP XP machine.
It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers.



A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer
swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the
same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the
Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I
saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to
notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a
64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD.



I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning
to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all
kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording
purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play
certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems
with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating
in an unstable way.

I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly
I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users
who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous
versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the
Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to
making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that
Mountain Lion and previous versions worked.

My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with
Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have.
He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may
want to hold off for a while.

I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works
fine.

I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion.

On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7
professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and Tiger
is not usually even the best place to look.

===

Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more.

That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth
that much.
They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker)
You are probably going to have to reload it.
Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't
come with the disks a retail customer gets.
You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off
lease HP XP machine.
It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers.



A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer
swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the
same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the
Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I
saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to
notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a
64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD.



I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning
to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all
kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording
purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play
certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems
with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating
in an unstable way.

I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly
I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users
who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous
versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the
Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to
making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that
Mountain Lion and previous versions worked.

My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with
Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have.
He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may
want to hold off for a while.

I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works
fine.

I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion.



Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem
getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up
consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an
engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he
would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on
Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was
working on the problem and might get back to him this week.



--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On 2/10/2014 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7
professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and
Tiger
is not usually even the best place to look.

===

Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more.

That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth
that much.
They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker)
You are probably going to have to reload it.
Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they don't
come with the disks a retail customer gets.
You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off
lease HP XP machine.
It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers.



A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer
swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the
same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the
Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I
saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to
notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a
64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD.



I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning
to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all
kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording
purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play
certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems
with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating
in an unstable way.

I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly
I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users
who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous
versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the
Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to
making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that
Mountain Lion and previous versions worked.

My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with
Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have.
He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may
want to hold off for a while.

I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works
fine.

I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion.



Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem
getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up
consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an
engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he
would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on
Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was
working on the problem and might get back to him this week.





I have not personally called Apple Care but a number of Mac users on the
forums who are experiencing the same problems have indicated that they
have. To date, there appears to be no resolution.

On 2/10/14, 8:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7
professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and
Tiger
is not usually even the best place to look.

===

Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more.

That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth
that much.
They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code sticker)
You are probably going to have to reload it.
Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they
don't
come with the disks a retail customer gets.
You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off
lease HP XP machine.
It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers.



A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer
swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the
same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the
Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I
saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to
notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10 for a
64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD.



I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning
to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all
kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording
purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play
certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems
with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating
in an unstable way.

I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly
I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users
who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous
versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the
Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to
making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that
Mountain Lion and previous versions worked.

My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with
Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have.
He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he may
want to hold off for a while.

I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works
fine.

I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion.



Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem
getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up
consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an
engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he
would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on
Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was
working on the problem and might get back to him this week.





I have not personally called Apple Care but a number of Mac users on the
forums who are experiencing the same problems have indicated that they
have. To date, there appears to be no resolution.



How about the midi software vendor? If it expects its product to
survive, it obvious has to make an update available.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/10/2014 9:05 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 8:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7
professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and
Tiger
is not usually even the best place to look.

===

Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more.

That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth
that much.
They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code
sticker)
You are probably going to have to reload it.
Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they
don't
come with the disks a retail customer gets.
You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off
lease HP XP machine.
It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers.



A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer
swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the
same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the
Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac until I
saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to
notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10
for a
64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD.



I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am beginning
to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all
kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for recording
purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play
certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems
with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally operating
in an unstable way.

I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work properly
I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users
who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous
versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the
Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to
making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that
Mountain Lion and previous versions worked.

My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with
Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I have.
He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he
may
want to hold off for a while.

I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works
fine.

I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion.



Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem
getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up
consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an
engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he
would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on
Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was
working on the problem and might get back to him this week.





I have not personally called Apple Care but a number of Mac users on the
forums who are experiencing the same problems have indicated that they
have. To date, there appears to be no resolution.



How about the midi software vendor? If it expects its product to
survive, it obvious has to make an update available.


The software I am currently using is Apple's Garage Band (full version).
So, if an update is needed to run on Mavericks, I would think they
would be aware of it.

According to the forum users, the problem exists in other recording,
editing and mixing applications besides Garage Band. Same issues of
hanging and missing input events. As previously mentioned, the
recording engineer I know is using essentially the same midi devices
that I am using but does not have a problem with Mountain Lion.

It's not going to go over well if the only resolution is to purchase new
software. Pro-Tools is $700 and is probably the most popular among
users, both amateur and professional. I think I mentioned that I have
a brand new copy of an earlier version of Pro-Tools but I already know
it won't run in Mavericks. It *does* run in Mountain Lion and also on
a Windows PC. I'd be willing to go back to Mountain Lion if I knew
how. Need to check into that.

On 2/10/14, 9:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 9:05 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 8:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 7:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 5:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:08:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:58:43 -0500, wrote:

For $200 it comes with a fairly fast processor and Win 7
professional.

I suspect it will sell out quickly at that price.

I bet off lease W7 machines will be more like $125 -150 soon and
Tiger
is not usually even the best place to look.

===

Win7 Pro by itself is worth $80 or more.

That is not a retail version it is the OEM so it is really not worth
that much.
They usually call that "logo only" (has a valid 25 digit code
sticker)
You are probably going to have to reload it.
Since there were originally sold as "enterprise" machines, they
don't
come with the disks a retail customer gets.
You may have to buy the disk (~$10). I bought one for my first off
lease HP XP machine.
It is good because it comes with all the HP drivers.



A few years ago, I saw some allegedly new, legit XP CDs at a computer
swap meeting. They were $5 to $10. Wouldn't Win 7 be available at the
same sales outlets soon at similar prices? I don't keep up with the
Windoze OS anymore, but I was going to install Win 7 on my Mac
until I
saw the OS was fetching $100+ from mail order dealers. If I happen to
notice a swap meet in the area, I might stop by and pay up to $10
for a
64-bit Win 7 CD/DVD.



I realize my application is somewhat in the minority but I am
beginning
to wish I had *not* installed Mavericks in my iMac. I am having all
kinds of problems making a midi controller work properly for
recording
purposes. The midi "events" simply instruct the program used to play
certain instruments, what note, velocity, etc. I am having problems
with the system "hanging", missing event inputs and generally
operating
in an unstable way.

I thought it was me. After a month of trying to make it work
properly
I have discovered that their are many, many other long term Mac users
who are experiencing the same problems, most of whom used previous
versions of the Mac OSX with no problems at all. I've scoured the
Apple Support forums and, to date, no one has found the "secret" to
making Mavericks work with midi in the same, reliable manner that
Mountain Lion and previous versions worked.

My friend (the recording engineer) has none of these problems with
Mountain Lion and is using basically the same type of equipment I
have.
He was about to upgrade to Mavericks but I suggested to him that he
may
want to hold off for a while.

I tried temporarily hooking everything up to my Win 7 computer. Works
fine.

I wonder if I can remove Mavericks and re-install Mountain Lion.



Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem
getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up
consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an
engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he
would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on
Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was
working on the problem and might get back to him this week.





I have not personally called Apple Care but a number of Mac users on the
forums who are experiencing the same problems have indicated that they
have. To date, there appears to be no resolution.



How about the midi software vendor? If it expects its product to
survive, it obvious has to make an update available.


The software I am currently using is Apple's Garage Band (full version).
So, if an update is needed to run on Mavericks, I would think they
would be aware of it.

According to the forum users, the problem exists in other recording,
editing and mixing applications besides Garage Band. Same issues of
hanging and missing input events. As previously mentioned, the
recording engineer I know is using essentially the same midi devices
that I am using but does not have a problem with Mountain Lion.

It's not going to go over well if the only resolution is to purchase new
software. Pro-Tools is $700 and is probably the most popular among
users, both amateur and professional. I think I mentioned that I have
a brand new copy of an earlier version of Pro-Tools but I already know
it won't run in Mavericks. It *does* run in Mountain Lion and also on
a Windows PC. I'd be willing to go back to Mountain Lion if I knew
how. Need to check into that.




My understand is that Garage Band is a very popular Mac app. If I were
you, I would contact Apple Care and complain and get a case number and
get followups. They will fix it. As for going back to ML, I dunno. I
never tried that.



--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.