On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else
but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to
become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were
groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He
seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda
Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow
down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you
have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if
you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the
same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't
steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very
general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.


If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your
brain.. sorry...





Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't.

I understand it as well as you do... I teach it to my riders. I read a
lot better than you though... for context, you know...

On 2/13/2014 7:11 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D.
wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a
"contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting
with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else
but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to
become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were
groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He
seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda
Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow
down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you
have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night
after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if
you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the
same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't
steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very
general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural
thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.


If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your
brain.. sorry...





Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't.

Right.... you are totally superior. Glad I was never one of your
teachers.... you don't listen well... I accepted the gyro theory
yesterday, understood it well.. John said "through" a corner that was
the debate, you are just spewing and listening to yourself....


LOL. Go ahead Scott. Make a fool out of yourself.
I give up trying to provide any helpful information.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:11:52 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else
but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to
become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were
groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He
seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda
Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow
down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you
have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if
you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the
same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't
steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very
general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.


If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your
brain.. sorry...





Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't.

Right.... you are totally superior. Glad I was never one of your
teachers.... you don't listen well... I accepted the gyro theory
yesterday, understood it well.. John said "through" a corner that was
the debate, you are just spewing and listening to yourself....

Here's the problem. John was right, and you're not. Through the corner is correct. Once you let up,
you straighten up.

You just need some more experience on the streets, or off, the principle's the same.

Or, maybe I made up the whole thing.

On 2/13/2014 7:13 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D.
wrote:

Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a
"contributor" to
be a

Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting
with
the

crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates.

Lying again.......


No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else
but I
doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three
weeks
before the real release...


It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to
become a
Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I
presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were
groups
testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference
times.

The "real release." What a laugh that is.



I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is
outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He
seems to
think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda
Goldwing is
the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow
down to
take sharp turns and corners. :-)



And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you
have an
arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night
after
some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if
you
acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior..


No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this
subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the
same
thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't
steer a
bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am
focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion
basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very
general
terms.



You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be
wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I
have..... Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are
similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying
is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on
both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to
that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have
trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And
Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this
summer based on what folks see my rider do....

Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a
countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the
corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering...


Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without
consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural
thing
to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and
pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter
steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the
racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's
thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as
if they anything to do with the original comment.


If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your
brain.. sorry...





Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't.

I understand it as well as you do... I teach it to my riders. I read a
lot better than you though... for context, you know...


Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore.

On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore.

and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to
the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of
the axle forward, it will move down.


Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels
turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with
someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more
than one is here just to play....

On 2/14/14, 6:41 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore.

and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to
the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of
the axle forward, it will move down.


Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels
turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with
someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more
than one is here just to play....


They don't want to fall off their motorcycles.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:41:28 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore.

and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to
the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of
the axle forward, it will move down.


Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels
turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with
someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more
than one is here just to play....

Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what really happens when you turn
a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous 'arguments', put up a picture of
a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos, and a Motorcycle Safety
Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and comparing me to Harry and Kevin.
After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd just made up the whole thing.
By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized I was bull****ting when I
said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you took seriously.

OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos, Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg

http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg

The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif

To really see what counter steering is doing, use the technique *without* letting your body lean.
Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the bike will lean left and turn
*without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you quickly swerve to miss an obstacle in your
lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane.

Here is another great use for counter steering. (Luddite, if you're reading, you may be able to use
this also.)

Very often I see riders coming to a stop with both feet down, sliding on the ground, because they
don't know which way the bike will lean when it finally stops. I call it a 'four point landing'. A
sure-fire way of knowing which way the bike will lean is to give the left handlebar a little push -
just before the bike completely stops. This will cause the bike to lean left a bit just as it stops,
and you put your left foot down as you stop. That way you can continue to use your foot brake as you
are stopping. I call that the 'three point landing'.

On 2/14/2014 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:41:28 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore.

and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to
the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of
the axle forward, it will move down.


Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels
turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with
someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more
than one is here just to play....

Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what really happens when you turn
a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous 'arguments', put up a picture of
a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos, and a Motorcycle Safety
Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and comparing me to Harry and Kevin.
After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd just made up the whole thing.
By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized I was bull****ting when I
said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you took seriously.

OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos, Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg

Established that yesterday. Motorcycle countersteers, corrects, and
steers through the turn... got it...

http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg

The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif

Yup, counter steer, then steer, then countersteer again.... got it...
but not "through the corner".. your own pics are clear.... thanks....

To really see what counter steering is doing, use the technique *without* letting your body lean.
Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the bike will lean left and turn
*without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you quickly swerve to miss an obstacle in your
lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane.

Here is another great use for counter steering. (Luddite, if you're reading, you may be able to use
this also.)

Very often I see riders coming to a stop with both feet down, sliding on the ground, because they
don't know which way the bike will lean when it finally stops. I call it a 'four point landing'. A
sure-fire way of knowing which way the bike will lean is to give the left handlebar a little push -
just before the bike completely stops. This will cause the bike to lean left a bit just as it stops,
and you put your left foot down as you stop. That way you can continue to use your foot brake as you
are stopping. I call that the 'three point landing'.

On 2/14/2014 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:41:28 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore.

and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to
the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of
the axle forward, it will move down.


Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels
turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with
someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more
than one is here just to play....

Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what really happens when you turn
a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous 'arguments', put up a picture of
a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos, and a Motorcycle Safety
Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and comparing me to Harry and Kevin.
After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd just made up the whole thing.
By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized I was bull****ting when I
said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you took seriously.

OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos, Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg

http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg

The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif

To really see what counter steering is doing, use the technique *without* letting your body lean.
Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the bike will lean left and turn
*without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you quickly swerve to miss an obstacle in your
lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane.

Here is another great use for counter steering. (Luddite, if you're reading, you may be able to use
this also.)

Very often I see riders coming to a stop with both feet down, sliding on the ground, because they
don't know which way the bike will lean when it finally stops. I call it a 'four point landing'. A
sure-fire way of knowing which way the bike will lean is to give the left handlebar a little push -
just before the bike completely stops. This will cause the bike to lean left a bit just as it stops,
and you put your left foot down as you stop. That way you can continue to use your foot brake as you
are stopping. I call that the 'three point landing'.


After many years of riding and owning many motorcycles ... from dirt
bikes, small Hondas, a Kawasaki "go fast", two Softails and two
Ultraclassics, I gave up riding. Too dangerous.

I considered myself to be a fairly proficient and experienced rider. Not
perfect but I rode safely. The thing is, riding safely isn't always a
unilateral issue when on the roads around here. Plus, like boating, the
riding season is short and the older I get the more I like being warm
without ten tons of leathers.

On 2/14/2014 9:30 AM, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what
really happens when you turn
a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous
'arguments', put up a picture of
a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos,
and a Motorcycle Safety
Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and
comparing me to Harry and Kevin.
After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd
just made up the whole thing.
By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized
I was bull****ting when I
said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you
took seriously.

OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking
lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter
steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a
motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos,
Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg


Established that yesterday. Motorcycle countersteers, corrects, and
steers through the turn... got it...

http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg

The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif


Yup, counter steer, then steer, then countersteer again.... got it...
but not "through the corner".. your own pics are clear.... thanks....


I swore I wouldn't get involved in this anymore, but I have to point out
something.

Scott, that "gif" image showing the proper way to take a turn is
deceiving and not really telling the whole story.

It shows a section where you counter-steer to enter and begin the turn.
Based on the diagram, you might interpret that you *stop* the
counter-steer while in the turn. That's what is deceiving about the
diagram.

The amount of counter-steer is actually maintained throughout the turn
because the forces on the bike and rider remain constant throughout. It
*has* to, otherwise you won't completely navigate the turn.

However .. if the rear wheel breaks free and aligns with the direction
the bike is traveling, the previously established counter-steer
requirement will be nullified. You may have to re-establish
counter-steer again however to complete the rest of the turn.

The pictures you keep referencing are worthless. Where you see pressure
on the handlebars in one direction, I see it opposite.
The amount of counter-steer is so subtle, you really can't clearly see
what is going on.