On 9/3/2013 9:12 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:54:31 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 9/3/2013 6:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote:

My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it
could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W.

===

You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go
"off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC
I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced?


If you were a kid on a dirt bike, they might give you a ticket and even
try to confiscate your bike... Someone like you on a moped, they might
write you up for trespass, but I doubt it.... Unless things are a lot
different down there...

===

I was thinking more in terms of my 4wd truck. :-)


In my opinion, that would be looking for trouble... Maybe even more than
some kid who doesn't know any better. If you are gonna' get a Jeep, head
for the State Parks or some buds property somewhere...

On 9/3/2013 9:14 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 8:57 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would
prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of
building a
rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph.

The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand
has
basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually
dropped
in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped.



Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads,
bridges, dams, infrastructure.

That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads
..

BTW who was talking about dams?
The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway

Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to
build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience.

The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with
a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine....

YOU SOUND LIKE BARNEY FRANK. (I just had to shout that out. ;-) )

You look like Barney Frank....

On 9/3/2013 9:16 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 8:58 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 7:56 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 12:33 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:05:10 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:16:12 -0400, wrote:

The problem is a lot of those right of ways have been ceded over to
the power companies for power lines and the Internet. That is where a
good chunk of the national fiber backbone is installed. Nobody wants
you digging roadbeds around that.
The existing ROW is being used for freight. They don't want that
on HS
rail.

===

Don't forget about the interstate highway system, especially the air
rights over the medians, or the air rights over the freight lines.

You still run into that "last 20 (or 40) mile" problem in each city
you get close to.
They may not have a suitable interstate going into the city and that
real estate tends to be curb to curb traffic lane.

Elevating a high speed train? That is just funny.
Cost, additional danger in a derailment, more noise.

I do like your sense of humor tho.

All it would take is a train popping off a track and taking out a
whole row of bumper to bumper commuters in cars on that interstate
below to sink rail in this country for years.


I wonder why the monorail concept never took off?

Because, Americans can't live with set tracks for routes...

I'm waiting for Loogies answer. I already know what it will be. ;-)

You read his stuff?

On 9/3/2013 9:10 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:57:34 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to
build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience.

The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with
a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine....

===

I agree for the most part. We just got back from a road trip to the
north east and there were no issues in the NY/NJ/CT area other than
the usual heavy traffic. Some of the overpasses on the New York
State Thruway show some signs of rust and corrosion however. There's
no excuse for that since it is a highly profitable toll road but NY
has a good track record for fixing things like that.

Parts of I-81 through Virginia could use some road work and widening.
The truck traffic on the long two lane stretches is slow but part of
that is the fault of the truckers who insist on racing each other
uphill at 45 mph.

Thanks for the road conditions report.

You didn't go far enough up into NY to see the serious infrastructure
rust and decay. Some parts of NY seem to be stuck in the 50s/60s, but
that doesn't stop them from collecting serious tolls, rivaling Illinois.

On 9/3/2013 9:22 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 9:16 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 8:58 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 7:56 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 12:33 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:05:10 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:16:12 -0400, wrote:

The problem is a lot of those right of ways have been ceded over to
the power companies for power lines and the Internet. That is
where a
good chunk of the national fiber backbone is installed. Nobody wants
you digging roadbeds around that.
The existing ROW is being used for freight. They don't want that
on HS
rail.

===

Don't forget about the interstate highway system, especially the air
rights over the medians, or the air rights over the freight lines.

You still run into that "last 20 (or 40) mile" problem in each city
you get close to.
They may not have a suitable interstate going into the city and that
real estate tends to be curb to curb traffic lane.

Elevating a high speed train? That is just funny.
Cost, additional danger in a derailment, more noise.

I do like your sense of humor tho.

All it would take is a train popping off a track and taking out a
whole row of bumper to bumper commuters in cars on that interstate
below to sink rail in this country for years.


I wonder why the monorail concept never took off?

Because, Americans can't live with set tracks for routes...

I'm waiting for Loogies answer. I already know what it will be. ;-)

You read his stuff?

Indirectly. Harry and others love to chat with him.

On 9/3/2013 9:21 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 9:14 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 8:57 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people
would
prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of
building a
rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph.

The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand
has
basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually
dropped
in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped.



Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads,
bridges, dams, infrastructure.

That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads
..

BTW who was talking about dams?
The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway

Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to
build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience.

The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with
a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine....

YOU SOUND LIKE BARNEY FRANK. (I just had to shout that out. ;-) )

You look like Barney Frank....

Now that was just plain nasty.

On 9/3/13 8:54 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 6:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote:

My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it
could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W.

===

You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go
"off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC
I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced?


If you were a kid on a dirt bike, they might give you a ticket and even
try to confiscate your bike... Someone like you on a moped, they might
write you up for trespass, but I doubt it.... Unless things are a lot
different down there...


Why discourage W'hine from partaking of dangerous activities? Perhaps
he'll hit a high voltage power apparatus.

In article om,
says...

On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would
prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of building a
rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph.

The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has
basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped
in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped.



Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads,
bridges, dams, infrastructure.

That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads
..

BTW who was talking about dams?
The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway

Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to
build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience.

Sure they have.

In article ,
says...

On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would
prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of
building a
rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph.

The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has
basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped
in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped.



Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads,
bridges, dams, infrastructure.

That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads
..

BTW who was talking about dams?
The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway

Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to
build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience.

The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with
a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine....

Please do tell us, then, about the structural state of bridges that were
never designed for the loads and frequency of travel that they now get.
Of course, you'd much rather make your own idiotic conclusions than get
real data.....

http://t4america.org/resources/bridges/

And here's a GREAT site to ponder:

http://www.infrastructurereportcard....rade-sheet/gpa


Aviaton that Greg says is just great!

http://www.infrastructurereportcard....ation/overview

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:57:34 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to
build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience.

The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with
a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine....

===

I agree for the most part. We just got back from a road trip to the
north east and there were no issues in the NY/NJ/CT area other than
the usual heavy traffic. Some of the overpasses on the New York
State Thruway show some signs of rust and corrosion however. There's
no excuse for that since it is a highly profitable toll road but NY
has a good track record for fixing things like that.

Parts of I-81 through Virginia could use some road work and widening.
The truck traffic on the long two lane stretches is slow but part of
that is the fault of the truckers who insist on racing each other
uphill at 45 mph.

What you don't realize is that many bridges carrying interstate traffic
were never engineered for that weight and frequency of traffic loads.
That is but one problem.