On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying
equipment. These are subsidies.

What business doesn't get depreciation allowances?

You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation
allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant.

You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but
the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives
them back.
That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even
cover the cost of running the train.


There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are
subsidies.

Period.

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On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:12:36 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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Once you actually dig into the numbers, the whole idea of an airline
"subsidy" falls apart.
These are services 100% funded by ticket taxes
http://tinyurl.com/l8m7yp4

Thank you, good job. Ticket taxes are subsidies.

What? A subsidy implies airline passengers are getting the benefit of
money from other government sources and the fact is every dime DoT
spends on air travel comes FROM THOSE PASSENGERS in the way of ticket
taxes.

In fact the DOT is actually making over a billion dollars on these
taxes, presumably being spent on other projects.

Cite that.

They collect about $18 billion in ticket taxes and fees, the total
aviation budget for aviation is a tad over $16 billion.

http://www.dot.gov/sites/dot.dev/fil...ial-report.pdf

Expense
Air Transportation 16,004,333

Here's more on the subsidies to airlines that apparently you don't know
about:

http://tinyurl.com/l2sgahq
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Those people have not read the DoT budget, nor have you. Ticket taxes
fund ALL of those things with money left over.

Horse****.

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On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H
wrote:

Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken.
What a mess.

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Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time.
All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now.


I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was
going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit
could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be
moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no
way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the
road...


I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one
of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for
him.

He's never been in the real world where heaves and settlement happen!

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On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:17:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

A bridge on *Interstate Route 95" is not an interstate bridge?

Whoooosh...... I'll try again. In cities, where interstates were
extended, added, spurs, etc. were placed long after the original
interstate system was in place. A lot of these add ons were aligned to
take advantage of in-place roadways including bridges, tunnels etc.
These in-place infrastructures were not intended to carry the traffic
that interstate travel imposes.

Ah, the story changes. Not shocking from you.

Nope, that's what I've said all along.

On 9/4/2013 11:09 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying
equipment. These are subsidies.

What business doesn't get depreciation allowances?

You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation
allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant.

You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but
the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives
them back.
That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even
cover the cost of running the train.


There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are
subsidies.

Period.

Tax incentives to encourage the purchase of stuff to help keep the
economy going and generate more taxes.

On 9/4/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H
wrote:

Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken.
What a mess.

===

Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time.
All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now.


I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was
going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit
could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be
moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no
way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the
road...


I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one
of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for
him.



Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside
Boston that would be addressed somehow...

On 9/4/13 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:20:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/4/13 9:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


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Well, some things on the train tracks have changed. Railroad "ties" are
typically concrete now and the rail butts are welded and smooth. Ever
notice that the "clackity-clack" sound of a train travelling down the
track has disappeared?


Depends on where you are. The trackage from here to NYC and beyond is
pretty decent, and so is the trackage out to Chicago. I've not been
further west than Chicago on a train.

The trackage is absolutely miserable between here and Florida. I mean,
TERRIBLE. The rails are as crooked and bumpy as you can get and in some
places, you have to wonder why the rail car just doesn't hop off the
rails. CSX owns the rails and whatever the minimum is for upkeep, it
obviously spends less.

CSX spends what it needs to for freight trains. Amtrak is just
freeloading on their track.,


Amtrak pays a train mile fee for using CSX tracks. A relative who was a
CSX exec told me what it was once, but that was years ago. In the
aggregate, the total Amtrak pays out for train mile fees around the
country is several hundred million dollars.

Freeloading...what an interesting term. I suppose when you rent a car
from Hertz, you are freeloading.

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On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:19:26 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On 9/3/13 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:57:25 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

No, it's mostly a stigma, people think elevated trains, they think
noise, they think unsafe, etc. Add to that that for some reason beyond
me, there are a LOT of people in the U.S. who just fear and loathe any
new technology.

Elevated trains ARE noisier and if they derail, over a major road,
they are a lot more dangerous.
We are not talking about the Lake Street El here. You want that train
going 150 MPH or more.

BTW you keep saying "innovation" and "new technology" but this is 200
year old technology and every plan I have heard involves buying
existing technology from Europe or Japan. Were is the innovation?

Bringing high speed trains over from Europe would be new technology for
this country, because we have no capability anymore for passenger rail
innovation. We'd have to reverse engineer what they are doing across the
big pond.

If they change the octane of gasoline and it makes cars go faster is that new technology or
an improvement on an existing technology. Fixed track trains are 200 years old and they only
thing that has changed is how the locomotive is powered.

Electric trains running off a catenary is over 100 years old

Oh, boy, here we go, everything is the same as it was 200 years
ago......

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On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:23:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:11:24 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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Rail lines need a direct subsidy, just to keep the train moving.

As do planes.


Bull****

Have you looked at the taxes on a plane ticket. Most of the
"subsidies" you talk about are actually paid for by the air traveler,
not the general fund like the railroads.

You pay
Federal taxes
7.5% for infrastructure
$3.50 per takeoff for ATC
$2.50 per boarding for TSA

and the airport tacks on $3 -$18 for their expenses.

That was in 2007. The way taxes work it may be a lot more than that
now.

I suppose I could dig out the charges on my tickets to Oregon a couple
months ago and look.

http://tinyurl.com/l2sgahq

They don't say or don't know that all of that is actually funded by
airline ticket taxes.
I didn't even know it until I actually looked it up.

I paid 157.50 in taxes on one round trip ticket to Oregon

And that's not a subsidy, eh?

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On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:24:53 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:18:09 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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Bunch of old retirees that are afraid of change!

Cite? :)

John (Gun Nut) H.

Wow, must you be shown everything? He

http://bit.ly/18Auhqn

You really should learn how to do a little research yourself.

Kevin is a heluva googler but not much of a reader

"Florida has almost 3.3 million seniors and they are 17.3 percent of
the population."

Hardly enough to swing a vote, particularly a vote taken 9 years ago
when the retiree number was lower.

Cite?

The 3.3 million was from your cite. You really need to read these
things when you cite them

The cite is gave showed you that 17.3 percent of any population can't
swing a vote?