On 9/2/13 8:23 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


And how would you get to work if you had anything to carry for work, or
deliver anything for work... Trains are only good for paperpushers and
vacationers anyway...



How would that impact you? You are unemployed and unemployable. What
would you be carrying or delivering to "work," since you don't work?

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On 9/2/2013 8:07 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:49:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Here in Florida they wanted to build a high speed train between Tampa
and Orlando. They problem is, they would really need to have a lot of
stops near both ends to make it attractive ... as a commuter train.
That is not conducive to "high speed".

You end up with the same problem I brought up before. You need a car
to get around Tampa and Orlando. Tourists are unlikely to travel in
between by train anyway. If they have a rental car, you are only
talking about a 1 - 1.5 hour drive. They would be at the other end,
checked into their hotel before you got through the train station on
both ends, if they "beamed" you to Tampa.

I agree wholeheartedly, our infrastructure sucks. Trouble is it sucks
because people like you are afraid of change and innovation.


A train offers absolutely NOTHING to "people" like me.
That is the problem.
I am not sure where I would take a train to

I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to
see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get
to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus
ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes
and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay
about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time.


And how would you get to work if you had anything to carry for work, or
deliver anything for work... Trains are only good for paperpushers and
vacationers anyway...

Yeah, just take a look at Europe... Oh, wait, high speed trains are
successful there, never mind.

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address
and my work address to
see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour
and 7 minutes and I get
to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and
then take another bus
ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I
drive it takes 25 minutes
and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and
maintenance I would pay
about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the
time.

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Just for kicks, I went to the Amtrak website and priced the
*cheapest* one-way fare from Boston to Charleston, SC.


Train would leave Boston at 9:30 pm and arrive in Wash DC at about 7
am the next morning.
Then a three hour layover in DC with a connection leaving at 9:55 am.
Arrive in Charleston, SC at 7:15 pm.

Total travel time: 22 hours. Cost: $289.00
I can fly there in 2.5 hours for less than that.
I can drive it in about 15-16 hours and not need to rent a car when I
got there.

A high-speed train would have to be non-stop and average almost 400
mph to be competitive with the airlines, time-wise.

On 9/2/13 8:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address
and my work address to
see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and
7 minutes and I get
to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and
then take another bus
ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I
drive it takes 25 minutes
and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and
maintenance I would pay
about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time.

-----------------------------

Just for kicks, I went to the Amtrak website and priced the *cheapest*
one-way fare from Boston to Charleston, SC.


Train would leave Boston at 9:30 pm and arrive in Wash DC at about 7 am
the next morning.
Then a three hour layover in DC with a connection leaving at 9:55 am.
Arrive in Charleston, SC at 7:15 pm.

Total travel time: 22 hours. Cost: $289.00
I can fly there in 2.5 hours for less than that.
I can drive it in about 15-16 hours and not need to rent a car when I
got there.

A high-speed train would have to be non-stop and average almost 400 mph
to be competitive with the airlines, time-wise.





We can't do it because we can't do it because we can't do it. I get it.
We can't do anything anymore, and that's another example of why
conservatism is killing America, because we can't have nice trains, we
can't keep our interstates in good shape, we can't repair our bridges,
whatever, we can't do it because...we can't do it.

When we take the train to Jax, it usually works out to be a 13 hour
train trip. We leave in the evening and arrive the next morining, after
a good night's sleep aboard the train. No long waits to clear security
at the origin, no long wait for luggage at the termination. Compartment
includes private toilet, two bunk beds and two pretty decent meals.
Takes about the same time as driving, if I felt like driving without an
overnight stop, which I don't like doing. Would take much less time if
trackage and equipment were a lot better, but the trackage south of DC
is mostly CSX, and it doesn't give a **** about high speed passenger rail.

No worries about all the crap that accompanies airline travel.

About $700 round trip for two adults. Much more comfy than even first
class on a plane. Takes longer, sure, but it's overnight and you have to
sleep. Oh, and two first class airline tickets would be about $1000.

But we can't improve passenger rail transportation because this is
America and we can't things like that anymore. I get it.

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote:

My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it
could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W.

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You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go
"off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC
I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced?

On 9/3/2013 6:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote:

My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it
could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W.

===

You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go
"off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC
I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced?


If you were a kid on a dirt bike, they might give you a ticket and even
try to confiscate your bike... Someone like you on a moped, they might
write you up for trespass, but I doubt it.... Unless things are a lot
different down there...

On 9/3/13 12:20 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:07:46 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

A train offers absolutely NOTHING to "people" like me.
That is the problem.
I am not sure where I would take a train to

I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to
see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get
to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus
ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes
and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay
about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time.

My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it
could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W.
plus about 100 yards through a scrub park.

So, the world of public transportation should revolve around a retiree's
needs in Dumfoch, Florida?

On 9/3/2013 7:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/3/13 12:20 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:07:46 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

A train offers absolutely NOTHING to "people" like me.
That is the problem.
I am not sure where I would take a train to

I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address
and my work address to
see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour
and 7 minutes and I get
to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops
and then take another bus
ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I
drive it takes 25 minutes
and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and
maintenance I would pay
about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time.

My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it
could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W.
plus about 100 yards through a scrub park.

So, the world of public transportation should revolve around a retiree's
needs in Dumfoch, Florida?


The world of public transportation should revolve around the needs of
taxpayers and those who can't afford private conveyance. Since you don't
fit either category, why don't you just shut the **** up?

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 07:52:19 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/3/13 12:20 AM, wrote:


My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it
could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W.
plus about 100 yards through a scrub park.

So, the world of public transportation should revolve around a retiree's
needs in Dumfoch, Florida?

The world of transportation has to take into account the needs of the
public in general. 2/3ds of Floridians said they did not want to spend
close to a trillion dollars on a train they would never ride.

One particular train between two particular places. A place where
retirees idea of going on a trip is to get in the golf cart and go to
the rec room for Bingo.

On 9/2/2013 7:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:49:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Here in Florida they wanted to build a high speed train between Tampa
and Orlando. They problem is, they would really need to have a lot of
stops near both ends to make it attractive ... as a commuter train.
That is not conducive to "high speed".

You end up with the same problem I brought up before. You need a car
to get around Tampa and Orlando. Tourists are unlikely to travel in
between by train anyway. If they have a rental car, you are only
talking about a 1 - 1.5 hour drive. They would be at the other end,
checked into their hotel before you got through the train station on
both ends, if they "beamed" you to Tampa.

I agree wholeheartedly, our infrastructure sucks. Trouble is it sucks
because people like you are afraid of change and innovation.


A train offers absolutely NOTHING to "people" like me.
That is the problem.
I am not sure where I would take a train to


Same here, I hate cities....