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iBoaterer wrote:
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BAR wrote:
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"BAR" wrote in message
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Wild fires not too many years ago just burned until they ran out of
fuel. Now we have all of
this money spent on containing them so that they don't burn homes and
businesses. Fire should
be treated just like flood waters.

---------------------------

and you called *me* a luddite? :-)

It is amazing that the Earth went from a whirling mass of dust to what
it is today and it
still exists. Wildfires serve a purpose, tides and flooding serve a
purpose. Who are we to
try and stop them. Why are we trying to control the Earth instead of just
inhabitinig it for
the time we have and then disappearing from existence from our own devices or an
extraterestial event.

Wild fires in olden days were not as bad. Even the Indians started wild
fires every couple years. Now we put out most little fires, until the dead
falls and understory is huge, and then we have unstoppable fires. Yosemite
lets natural fires inside the park burn naturally. The huge rim fire is
burning in areas that have not burned in 50+ years. Near one of our
favorite lakes. Cherry Lake, and probably will write off another trip
there this year.

Well, gee, that makes you wonder how the earth ever survived without
man......

Before man, the natural fires cleaned out the dead stuff. Plus we had more
mixed forest. Now after logging, it is single type tree being planted.

Bingo!

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On 8/29/13 2:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:55:43 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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BAR wrote:
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Wild fires not too many years ago just burned until they ran out of
fuel. Now we have all of
this money spent on containing them so that they don't burn homes and
businesses. Fire should
be treated just like flood waters.

---------------------------

and you called *me* a luddite? :-)

It is amazing that the Earth went from a whirling mass of dust to what it is today and it
still exists. Wildfires serve a purpose, tides and flooding serve a purpose. Who are we to
try and stop them. Why are we trying to control the Earth instead of just
inhabitinig it for
the time we have and then disappearing from existence from our own devices or an
extraterestial event.

Wild fires in olden days were not as bad. Even the Indians started wild
fires every couple years. Now we put out most little fires, until the dead
falls and understory is huge, and then we have unstoppable fires. Yosemite
lets natural fires inside the park burn naturally. The huge rim fire is
burning in areas that have not burned in 50+ years. Near one of our
favorite lakes. Cherry Lake, and probably will write off another trip
there this year.

Well, gee, that makes you wonder how the earth ever survived without
man......

I know you don't want to hear it, but perhaps God had a hand in its survival.

John (Gun Nut) H.

What "God"?


The one Herring hallucinated about when he spent three months at a VA
hospital getting detoxed.

It usually only takes two weeks.

Wow, he must have been really messed up then.

On 8/30/13 8:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 8/29/13 2:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:55:43 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 623417046399439441.785203bmckeenospam-
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BAR wrote:
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"BAR" wrote in message
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Wild fires not too many years ago just burned until they ran out of
fuel. Now we have all of
this money spent on containing them so that they don't burn homes and
businesses. Fire should
be treated just like flood waters.

---------------------------

and you called *me* a luddite? :-)

It is amazing that the Earth went from a whirling mass of dust to what it is today and it
still exists. Wildfires serve a purpose, tides and flooding serve a purpose. Who are we to
try and stop them. Why are we trying to control the Earth instead of just
inhabitinig it for
the time we have and then disappearing from existence from our own devices or an
extraterestial event.

Wild fires in olden days were not as bad. Even the Indians started wild
fires every couple years. Now we put out most little fires, until the dead
falls and understory is huge, and then we have unstoppable fires. Yosemite
lets natural fires inside the park burn naturally. The huge rim fire is
burning in areas that have not burned in 50+ years. Near one of our
favorite lakes. Cherry Lake, and probably will write off another trip
there this year.

Well, gee, that makes you wonder how the earth ever survived without
man......

I know you don't want to hear it, but perhaps God had a hand in its survival.

John (Gun Nut) H.

What "God"?


The one Herring hallucinated about when he spent three months at a VA
hospital getting detoxed.

It usually only takes two weeks.

Wow, he must have been really messed up then.


Actually, length of stay for detox and stabilization depends on a number
of factors. If you are indigent and picked up by the police, you might
find yourself in a three day detox/stabilization and then dumped back
out on the street. If you have decent insurance and you are on heroin,
you might end up in a 30-day detox/stabilization/therapy program with
outpatient followups.

Perhaps someday Herring will share his experiences in getting his
alcohol abuse under a modicum of control.

On 8/30/2013 9:06 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/30/13 8:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 8/29/13 2:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:55:43 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article 623417046399439441.785203bmckeenospam-
,
says...

BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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Wild fires not too many years ago just burned until they ran
out of
fuel. Now we have all of
this money spent on containing them so that they don't burn
homes and
businesses. Fire should
be treated just like flood waters.

---------------------------

and you called *me* a luddite? :-)

It is amazing that the Earth went from a whirling mass of dust
to what it is today and it
still exists. Wildfires serve a purpose, tides and flooding
serve a purpose. Who are we to
try and stop them. Why are we trying to control the Earth
instead of just
inhabitinig it for
the time we have and then disappearing from existence from our
own devices or an
extraterestial event.

Wild fires in olden days were not as bad. Even the Indians
started wild
fires every couple years. Now we put out most little fires,
until the dead
falls and understory is huge, and then we have unstoppable
fires. Yosemite
lets natural fires inside the park burn naturally. The huge rim
fire is
burning in areas that have not burned in 50+ years. Near one of
our
favorite lakes. Cherry Lake, and probably will write off
another trip
there this year.

Well, gee, that makes you wonder how the earth ever survived without
man......

I know you don't want to hear it, but perhaps God had a hand in
its survival.

John (Gun Nut) H.

What "God"?


The one Herring hallucinated about when he spent three months at a VA
hospital getting detoxed.

It usually only takes two weeks.

Wow, he must have been really messed up then.


Actually, length of stay for detox and stabilization depends on a number
of factors. If you are indigent and picked up by the police, you might
find yourself in a three day detox/stabilization and then dumped back
out on the street. If you have decent insurance and you are on heroin,
you might end up in a 30-day detox/stabilization/therapy program with
outpatient followups.

Perhaps someday Herring will share his experiences in getting his
alcohol abuse under a modicum of control.

What is the source of the anecdotal information you are presenting? I
suspect it's from a doctoral thesis presented by a PHD wanna be.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Actually, length of stay for detox and stabilization depends on a
number
of factors. If you are indigent and picked up by the police, you might
find yourself in a three day detox/stabilization and then dumped back
out on the street. If you have decent insurance and you are on heroin,
you might end up in a 30-day detox/stabilization/therapy program with
outpatient followups.

---------------------------

Only if the addict *wants* help. In many, if not most cases they are
in denial that they even have a problem, particularly with alcoholism.
The booze really screws up their ability to think in any rational way.

Entering a treatment center for detox, rehab and therapy is voluntary,
except in very difficult to obtain court ordered cases.

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On 8/30/13 8:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 8/29/13 2:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:55:43 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 623417046399439441.785203bmckeenospam-
, says...

BAR wrote:
In article , says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


Wild fires not too many years ago just burned until they ran out of
fuel. Now we have all of
this money spent on containing them so that they don't burn homes and
businesses. Fire should
be treated just like flood waters.

---------------------------

and you called *me* a luddite? :-)

It is amazing that the Earth went from a whirling mass of dust to what it is today and it
still exists. Wildfires serve a purpose, tides and flooding serve a purpose. Who are we to
try and stop them. Why are we trying to control the Earth instead of just
inhabitinig it for
the time we have and then disappearing from existence from our own devices or an
extraterestial event.

Wild fires in olden days were not as bad. Even the Indians started wild
fires every couple years. Now we put out most little fires, until the dead
falls and understory is huge, and then we have unstoppable fires. Yosemite
lets natural fires inside the park burn naturally. The huge rim fire is
burning in areas that have not burned in 50+ years. Near one of our
favorite lakes. Cherry Lake, and probably will write off another trip
there this year.

Well, gee, that makes you wonder how the earth ever survived without
man......

I know you don't want to hear it, but perhaps God had a hand in its survival.

John (Gun Nut) H.

What "God"?


The one Herring hallucinated about when he spent three months at a VA
hospital getting detoxed.

It usually only takes two weeks.

Wow, he must have been really messed up then.


Actually, length of stay for detox and stabilization depends on a number
of factors. If you are indigent and picked up by the police, you might
find yourself in a three day detox/stabilization and then dumped back
out on the street. If you have decent insurance and you are on heroin,
you might end up in a 30-day detox/stabilization/therapy program with
outpatient followups.

How many people have "decent" insurance and who are on Heroin?

Perhaps someday Herring will share his experiences in getting his
alcohol abuse under a modicum of control.

Maybe you can tell us about all of your fiscal issues someday. You know, the ones where you
had to be sued by the federal, state and local governments to pay your fair share.

On 8/30/13 9:45 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Actually, length of stay for detox and stabilization depends on a number
of factors. If you are indigent and picked up by the police, you might
find yourself in a three day detox/stabilization and then dumped back
out on the street. If you have decent insurance and you are on heroin,
you might end up in a 30-day detox/stabilization/therapy program with
outpatient followups.

---------------------------

Only if the addict *wants* help. In many, if not most cases they are
in denial that they even have a problem, particularly with alcoholism.
The booze really screws up their ability to think in any rational way.

Entering a treatment center for detox, rehab and therapy is voluntary,
except in very difficult to obtain court ordered cases.



Absolutely.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:59:01 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On 8/29/13 2:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:55:43 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 623417046399439441.785203bmckeenospam-
, says...

BAR wrote:
In article , says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


Wild fires not too many years ago just burned until they ran out of
fuel. Now we have all of
this money spent on containing them so that they don't burn homes and
businesses. Fire should
be treated just like flood waters.

---------------------------

and you called *me* a luddite? :-)

It is amazing that the Earth went from a whirling mass of dust to what it is today and it
still exists. Wildfires serve a purpose, tides and flooding serve a purpose. Who are we to
try and stop them. Why are we trying to control the Earth instead of just
inhabitinig it for
the time we have and then disappearing from existence from our own devices or an
extraterestial event.

Wild fires in olden days were not as bad. Even the Indians started wild
fires every couple years. Now we put out most little fires, until the dead
falls and understory is huge, and then we have unstoppable fires. Yosemite
lets natural fires inside the park burn naturally. The huge rim fire is
burning in areas that have not burned in 50+ years. Near one of our
favorite lakes. Cherry Lake, and probably will write off another trip
there this year.

Well, gee, that makes you wonder how the earth ever survived without
man......

I know you don't want to hear it, but perhaps God had a hand in its survival.

John (Gun Nut) H.

What "God"?


The one Herring hallucinated about when he spent three months at a VA
hospital getting detoxed.

It usually only takes two weeks.

Wow, he must have been really messed up then.

I wasn't in a VA hospital. Wasn't getting detoxed. Was 'messed up'!

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

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On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:59:01 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On 8/29/13 2:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:55:43 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 623417046399439441.785203bmckeenospam-
, says...

BAR wrote:
In article , says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


Wild fires not too many years ago just burned until they ran out of
fuel. Now we have all of
this money spent on containing them so that they don't burn homes and
businesses. Fire should
be treated just like flood waters.

---------------------------

and you called *me* a luddite? :-)

It is amazing that the Earth went from a whirling mass of dust to what it is today and it
still exists. Wildfires serve a purpose, tides and flooding serve a purpose. Who are we to
try and stop them. Why are we trying to control the Earth instead of just
inhabitinig it for
the time we have and then disappearing from existence from our own devices or an
extraterestial event.

Wild fires in olden days were not as bad. Even the Indians started wild
fires every couple years. Now we put out most little fires, until the dead
falls and understory is huge, and then we have unstoppable fires. Yosemite
lets natural fires inside the park burn naturally. The huge rim fire is
burning in areas that have not burned in 50+ years. Near one of our
favorite lakes. Cherry Lake, and probably will write off another trip
there this year.

Well, gee, that makes you wonder how the earth ever survived without
man......

I know you don't want to hear it, but perhaps God had a hand in its survival.

John (Gun Nut) H.

What "God"?


The one Herring hallucinated about when he spent three months at a VA
hospital getting detoxed.

It usually only takes two weeks.

Wow, he must have been really messed up then.

I wasn't in a VA hospital. Wasn't getting detoxed. Was 'messed up'!

John (Gun Nut) H.

And still are.

On 8/31/13 10:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:59:01 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

In article , says...

On 8/29/13 2:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:55:43 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 623417046399439441.785203bmckeenospam-
, says...

BAR wrote:
In article , says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


Wild fires not too many years ago just burned until they ran out of
fuel. Now we have all of
this money spent on containing them so that they don't burn homes and
businesses. Fire should
be treated just like flood waters.

---------------------------

and you called *me* a luddite? :-)

It is amazing that the Earth went from a whirling mass of dust to what it is today and it
still exists. Wildfires serve a purpose, tides and flooding serve a purpose. Who are we to
try and stop them. Why are we trying to control the Earth instead of just
inhabitinig it for
the time we have and then disappearing from existence from our own devices or an
extraterestial event.

Wild fires in olden days were not as bad. Even the Indians started wild
fires every couple years. Now we put out most little fires, until the dead
falls and understory is huge, and then we have unstoppable fires. Yosemite
lets natural fires inside the park burn naturally. The huge rim fire is
burning in areas that have not burned in 50+ years. Near one of our
favorite lakes. Cherry Lake, and probably will write off another trip
there this year.

Well, gee, that makes you wonder how the earth ever survived without
man......

I know you don't want to hear it, but perhaps God had a hand in its survival.

John (Gun Nut) H.

What "God"?


The one Herring hallucinated about when he spent three months at a VA
hospital getting detoxed.

It usually only takes two weeks.

Wow, he must have been really messed up then.

I wasn't in a VA hospital. Wasn't getting detoxed. Was 'messed up'!

John (Gun Nut) H.

And still are.


Indeed.