"BAR" wrote in message
...


Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing
at
all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning
and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the
Federal, State and local governments.

The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to
the publics best interest.

------------------------------------------------

There's nothing wrong with gun ownership to provide for your personal
safety and security or of those in your home. It's also justified for
last resort personal protection in public in some circumstances.

Assuming the role of law enforcement or that of a vigilante in a
public place is another matter.

Let's consider this logically:

1. This country will never ban private ownership of guns. It may
regulate the type of weapons that may be privately owned, but it will
never ban them entirely.

2. Despite best efforts, crime and violence is part of our society.
3. We will never be able to identify, address, help, medicate or cure
all people with mental problems or diseases who commit these horrific
mass murders.

There seems to be one common denominator that these deranged people
exhibit however. They all seem to be looking for their day in the
spotlight ... to be noticed and recognized. Many commit suicide
knowing that their name and existence will become known to the nation.
It's not a difficult stretch to conclude that the recognition and
notoriety that one person gets leads to other unstable people doing
similar things.

So, let's stop publicizing their names and the details of their
actions, problems and lives in the media. Stop giving them the
attention that motivated them to begin with. Having cable news
networks commit 5 days of non-stop coverage, analysis, "expert"
reports and investigation does nothing but encourage the next nut to
become famous.

In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
...


Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing
at
all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning
and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the
Federal, State and local governments.

The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to
the publics best interest.

------------------------------------------------

There's nothing wrong with gun ownership to provide for your personal
safety and security or of those in your home. It's also justified for
last resort personal protection in public in some circumstances.

Assuming the role of law enforcement or that of a vigilante in a
public place is another matter.

Let's consider this logically:

1. This country will never ban private ownership of guns. It may
regulate the type of weapons that may be privately owned, but it will
never ban them entirely.

2. Despite best efforts, crime and violence is part of our society.
3. We will never be able to identify, address, help, medicate or cure
all people with mental problems or diseases who commit these horrific
mass murders.

There seems to be one common denominator that these deranged people
exhibit however. They all seem to be looking for their day in the
spotlight ... to be noticed and recognized. Many commit suicide
knowing that their name and existence will become known to the nation.
It's not a difficult stretch to conclude that the recognition and
notoriety that one person gets leads to other unstable people doing
similar things.

So, let's stop publicizing their names and the details of their
actions, problems and lives in the media. Stop giving them the
attention that motivated them to begin with. Having cable news
networks commit 5 days of non-stop coverage, analysis, "expert"
reports and investigation does nothing but encourage the next nut to
become famous.

U.S.A. First in gun ownership, first in gun crimes. Is the right wing
really so blind that they can't see the correlation?

On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:43:16 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or
upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the
1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear
today.



I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio
stations. The statistics make
us look better.

However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target
practice and hunting can
both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,
"What constitutes an assault
weapon?"

------------------------------------------

"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think
his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple
category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by
private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.

For private citizens:

Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for
target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.
Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No
more than 5-10 rounds.
Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no
more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on
background check.
Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can
include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.

For Law Enforcement and Military:

Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.
Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.

The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth
to protect themselves from their own government are long over.
That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens
don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.


There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as
administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc
in schools and let them carry.

Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a
sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would
just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed
teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud
speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover
fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility
the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom.
We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the
unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system...

WTF is a 'PoPo'?

On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:21:53 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
.. .


But, I have no problem with laws banning the 'assault style weapon' -
providing they can be defined.
You didn't address the questions I posted with the pictures.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Your first picture was that of a typical rifle.
The second was a tiny thumbnail of a magazine (I think).

What was the question?

Crap. I deleted it. But I believe it asked if that 'typical rifle' should be considered an assault
weapon. Your reply, calling it a typical rifle, answered the question. The second picture showed a
30-round clip which can be purchased for that rifle, which is the same caliber as the one used in
CT.

The point was that outlawing 'assault weapons' wouldn't prevent an individual from performing the
same deed without it. Other weapons would work just as well.

But, to appease those who think the style of the weapon is the problem, I have no problem with
outlawing them. I don't like rifles with plastic stocks anyway. 'Made by Mattel' was never high on
my list of desirables.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:43:16 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or
upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the
1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear
today.



I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio
stations. The statistics make
us look better.

However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target
practice and hunting can
both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,
"What constitutes an assault
weapon?"

------------------------------------------

"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think
his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple
category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by
private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.

For private citizens:

Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for
target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.
Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No
more than 5-10 rounds.
Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no
more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on
background check.
Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can
include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.

For Law Enforcement and Military:

Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.
Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.

The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth
to protect themselves from their own government are long over.
That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens
don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.


There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as
administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc
in schools and let them carry.

Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a
sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would
just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed
teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud
speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover
fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility
the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom.
We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the
unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system...

WTF is a 'PoPo'?

You ARE old.

GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:43:16 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or
upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the
1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear
today.



I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio
stations. The statistics make
us look better.

However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target
practice and hunting can
both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,
"What constitutes an assault
weapon?"

------------------------------------------

"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think
his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple
category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by
private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.

For private citizens:

Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for
target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.
Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No
more than 5-10 rounds.
Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no
more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on
background check.
Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can
include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.

For Law Enforcement and Military:

Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.
Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.

The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth
to protect themselves from their own government are long over.
That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens
don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.


There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as
administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc
in schools and let them carry.

Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a
sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would
just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed
teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud
speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover
fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility
the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom.
We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the
unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system...

WTF is a 'PoPo'?

Lowlife urban slang for police officer.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:42:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"BAR" wrote in message
.. .


Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing
at
all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning
and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the
Federal, State and local governments.

The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to
the publics best interest.

------------------------------------------------

There's nothing wrong with gun ownership to provide for your personal
safety and security or of those in your home. It's also justified for
last resort personal protection in public in some circumstances.

Assuming the role of law enforcement or that of a vigilante in a
public place is another matter.

Let's consider this logically:

1. This country will never ban private ownership of guns. It may
regulate the type of weapons that may be privately owned, but it will
never ban them entirely.

2. Despite best efforts, crime and violence is part of our society.
3. We will never be able to identify, address, help, medicate or cure
all people with mental problems or diseases who commit these horrific
mass murders.

There seems to be one common denominator that these deranged people
exhibit however. They all seem to be looking for their day in the
spotlight ... to be noticed and recognized. Many commit suicide
knowing that their name and existence will become known to the nation.
It's not a difficult stretch to conclude that the recognition and
notoriety that one person gets leads to other unstable people doing
similar things.

So, let's stop publicizing their names and the details of their
actions, problems and lives in the media. Stop giving them the
attention that motivated them to begin with. Having cable news
networks commit 5 days of non-stop coverage, analysis, "expert"
reports and investigation does nothing but encourage the next nut to
become famous.


"If it bleeds, it leads." That's a fact of life, and other than a total government takeover of the
media, and some severe censorship, it's not going to change.

I agree that notoriety can be a powerful motivator.

In article ,
says...

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...



"JustWait" wrote in message ...



On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"

wrote:





But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or

upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the

1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we

hear

today.







I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local

radio

stations. The statistics make

us look better.



However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.

Target

practice and hunting can

both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,

"What constitutes an assault

weapon?"



------------------------------------------



"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I

think

his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple

category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by

private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.



For private citizens:



Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for

target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.

Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.

No

more than 5-10 rounds.

Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with

no

more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed

based on

background check.

Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can

include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.



For Law Enforcement and Military:



Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.

Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.



The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the

teeth

to protect themselves from their own government are long over.

That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private

citizens

don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.





There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as

administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,

etc

in schools and let them carry.



Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a

sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would

just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed

teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the

loud

speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down

cover

fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good

possibility

the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the

classroom.

We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the

unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the

system...



-------------------------------------



I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not

consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools

period.



We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in

Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of

Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police

officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.



Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police

officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs

are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population

that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies

when it comes to illegal aliens.



We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional

influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up

of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an

influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking

for.



Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at

all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning

and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the

Federal, State and local governments.



The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to

the publics best interest.







It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be

targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"

and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why

I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be

retired PoPo in a second career...

So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.
Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society.
Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?

Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the
police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning
up **** that somebody left.

On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...



"JustWait" wrote in message ...



On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"

wrote:





But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or

upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the

1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we

hear

today.







I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local

radio

stations. The statistics make

us look better.



However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.

Target

practice and hunting can

both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,

"What constitutes an assault

weapon?"



------------------------------------------



"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I

think

his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple

category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by

private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.



For private citizens:



Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for

target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.

Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.

No

more than 5-10 rounds.

Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with

no

more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed

based on

background check.

Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can

include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.



For Law Enforcement and Military:



Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.

Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.



The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the

teeth

to protect themselves from their own government are long over.

That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private

citizens

don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.





There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as

administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,

etc

in schools and let them carry.



Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a

sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would

just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed

teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the

loud

speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down

cover

fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good

possibility

the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the

classroom.

We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the

unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the

system...



-------------------------------------



I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not

consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools

period.



We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in

Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of

Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police

officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.



Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police

officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs

are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population

that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies

when it comes to illegal aliens.



We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional

influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up

of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an

influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking

for.



Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at

all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning

and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the

Federal, State and local governments.



The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to

the publics best interest.







It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be

targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"

and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why

I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be

retired PoPo in a second career...

So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.
Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society.
Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?

Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the
police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning
up **** that somebody left.


Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids..

On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...



"JustWait" wrote in message ...



On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"

wrote:





But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or

upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the

1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we

hear

today.







I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local

radio

stations. The statistics make

us look better.



However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.

Target

practice and hunting can

both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,

"What constitutes an assault

weapon?"



------------------------------------------



"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I

think

his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple

category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by

private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.



For private citizens:



Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for

target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.

Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.

No

more than 5-10 rounds.

Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with

no

more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed

based on

background check.

Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can

include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.



For Law Enforcement and Military:



Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.

Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.



The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the

teeth

to protect themselves from their own government are long over.

That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private

citizens

don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.





There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as

administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,

etc

in schools and let them carry.



Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a

sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would

just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed

teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the

loud

speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down

cover

fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good

possibility

the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the

classroom.

We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the

unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the

system...



-------------------------------------



I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not

consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools

period.



We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in

Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of

Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police

officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.



Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have
police

officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs

are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant
population

that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies

when it comes to illegal aliens.



We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional

influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the
whipping up

of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more
of an

influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking

for.



Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad
thing at

all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning

and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the

Federal, State and local governments.



The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to

the publics best interest.







It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be

targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"

and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's
why

I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be

retired PoPo in a second career...

So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low
paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.
Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class
heros of our society.
Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?

Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the
police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning
up **** that somebody left.


Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids..


What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the
safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going
to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch
of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional.