ESAD wrote:
GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:43:16 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or
upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the
1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear
today.


I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio
stations. The statistics make
us look better.

However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target
practice and hunting can
both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,
"What constitutes an assault
weapon?"

------------------------------------------

"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think
his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple
category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by
private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.

For private citizens:

Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for
target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.
Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No
more than 5-10 rounds.
Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no
more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on
background check.
Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can
include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.

For Law Enforcement and Military:

Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.
Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.

The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth
to protect themselves from their own government are long over.
That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens
don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.

There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as
administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc
in schools and let them carry.

Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a
sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would
just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed
teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud
speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover
fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility
the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom.
We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the
unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system...
WTF is a 'PoPo'?
Lowlife urban slang for police officer.
That's a racist remark from a tax-cheat, folks!

wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...
"JustWait" wrote in message ...
On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or
upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the
1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we
hear
today.
I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local
radio
stations. The statistics make
us look better.
However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.
Target
practice and hunting can
both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,
"What constitutes an assault
weapon?"
------------------------------------------
"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I
think
his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple
category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by
private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.
For private citizens:
Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for
target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round
capacity.
Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.
No
more than 5-10 rounds.
Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns
with
no
more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed
based on
background check.
Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can
include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.
For Law Enforcement and Military:
Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.
Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.
The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the
teeth
to protect themselves from their own government are long over.
That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private
citizens
don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.
There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as
administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,
etc
in schools and let them carry.
Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a
sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would
just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed
teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the
loud
speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down
cover
fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good
possibility
the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the
classroom.
We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the
unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the
system...
-------------------------------------
I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not
consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools
period.
We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in
Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of
Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police
officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.
Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have
police
officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american"
gangs
are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant
population
that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies
when it comes to illegal aliens.
We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional
influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the
whipping up
of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more
of an
influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking
for.
Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad
thing at
all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning
and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the
Federal, State and local governments.
The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to
the publics best interest.
It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be
targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"
and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's
why
I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be
retired PoPo in a second career...
So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low
paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.
Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class
heros of our society.
Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?
Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the
police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning
up **** that somebody left.
Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the
kids..
What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the
safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going
to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch
of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional.


One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race

expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and

years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to

slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have

done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the

conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old"

cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just

don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have

a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids.
What the 'ell...now you're talking about work ethics???
What is this... a Christmas present for us?
~~ SNERK ~~
Why not just issue those see through shields the tactical cops use. They must be somewhat bulletproof.
Why not edit your lame post to less than 600 lines?

ESAD wrote:


Uh, just what "kushy" (sic) jobs are you referring to? Are you
implying that public school employees don't have a work ethic? You do
recall who was shot and killed last week, right? You know, public
school employees...teachers, principal, teacher's aide, school
counselor...
And despite their union affiliations, or not, they probably all paid
their taxes.

In article , earl8471
@hotmail.com says...

ESAD wrote:
GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:43:16 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or
upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the
1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear
today.


I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio
stations. The statistics make
us look better.

However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target
practice and hunting can
both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,
"What constitutes an assault
weapon?"

------------------------------------------

"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think
his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple
category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by
private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.

For private citizens:

Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for
target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.
Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No
more than 5-10 rounds.
Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no
more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on
background check.
Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can
include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.

For Law Enforcement and Military:

Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.
Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.

The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth
to protect themselves from their own government are long over.
That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens
don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.

There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as
administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc
in schools and let them carry.

Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a
sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would
just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed
teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud
speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover
fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility
the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom.
We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the
unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system...
WTF is a 'PoPo'?
Lowlife urban slang for police officer.
That's a racist remark from a tax-cheat, folks!

What race did he say anything disparaging about?

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...



"JustWait" wrote in message ...



On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"

wrote:





But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or

upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the

1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we

hear

today.







I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local

radio

stations. The statistics make

us look better.



However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.

Target

practice and hunting can

both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,

"What constitutes an assault

weapon?"



------------------------------------------



"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I

think

his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple

category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by

private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.



For private citizens:



Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for

target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.

Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.

No

more than 5-10 rounds.

Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with

no

more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed

based on

background check.

Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can

include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.



For Law Enforcement and Military:



Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.

Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.



The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the

teeth

to protect themselves from their own government are long over.

That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private

citizens

don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.





There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as

administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,

etc

in schools and let them carry.



Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a

sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would

just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed

teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the

loud

speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down

cover

fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good

possibility

the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the

classroom.

We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the

unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the

system...



-------------------------------------



I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not

consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools

period.



We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in

Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of

Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police

officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.



Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police

officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs

are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population

that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies

when it comes to illegal aliens.



We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional

influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up

of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an

influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking

for.



Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at

all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning

and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the

Federal, State and local governments.



The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to

the publics best interest.







It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be

targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"

and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why

I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be

retired PoPo in a second career...

So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.
Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society.
Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?

Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the
police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning
up **** that somebody left.

Because they already have an income and would be taking a job from
someone who then would not.

In article , says...

On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...



"JustWait" wrote in message ...



On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"

wrote:





But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or

upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the

1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we

hear

today.







I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local

radio

stations. The statistics make

us look better.



However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.

Target

practice and hunting can

both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,

"What constitutes an assault

weapon?"



------------------------------------------



"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I

think

his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple

category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by

private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.



For private citizens:



Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for

target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity.

Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.

No

more than 5-10 rounds.

Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with

no

more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed

based on

background check.

Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can

include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.



For Law Enforcement and Military:



Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.

Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.



The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the

teeth

to protect themselves from their own government are long over.

That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private

citizens

don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.





There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as

administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,

etc

in schools and let them carry.



Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a

sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would

just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed

teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the

loud

speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down

cover

fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good

possibility

the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the

classroom.

We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the

unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the

system...



-------------------------------------



I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not

consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools

period.



We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in

Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of

Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police

officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.



Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police

officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs

are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population

that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies

when it comes to illegal aliens.



We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional

influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up

of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an

influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking

for.



Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at

all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning

and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the

Federal, State and local governments.



The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to

the publics best interest.







It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be

targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"

and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why

I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be

retired PoPo in a second career...

So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.
Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society.
Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?

Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the
police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning
up **** that somebody left.


Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids..

You stupid fool, it has nothing to do with unions. Are you really that
dumb or are you just insane? The retired cop already has an income, in
his retirement. He would displace a janitor who would then not have a
job. I guess that scenario is way over your head, eh?

In article , says...

On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...



"JustWait" wrote in message ...



On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"

wrote:





But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or

upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the

1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we

hear

today.







I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local

radio

stations. The statistics make

us look better.



However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.

Target

practice and hunting can

both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,

"What constitutes an assault

weapon?"



------------------------------------------



"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I

think

his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple

category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by

private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.



For private citizens:



Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for

target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round
capacity.

Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.

No

more than 5-10 rounds.

Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns
with

no

more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed

based on

background check.

Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can

include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.



For Law Enforcement and Military:



Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.

Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.



The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the

teeth

to protect themselves from their own government are long over.

That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private

citizens

don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.





There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as

administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,

etc

in schools and let them carry.



Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a

sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would

just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed

teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the

loud

speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down

cover

fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good

possibility

the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the

classroom.

We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the

unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the

system...



-------------------------------------



I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not

consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools

period.



We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in

Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of

Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police

officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.



Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have
police

officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american"
gangs

are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant
population

that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies

when it comes to illegal aliens.



We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional

influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the
whipping up

of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more
of an

influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking

for.



Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad
thing at

all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning

and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the

Federal, State and local governments.



The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to

the publics best interest.







It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be

targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"

and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's
why

I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be

retired PoPo in a second career...

So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low
paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.
Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class
heros of our society.
Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?

Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the
police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning
up **** that somebody left.


Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the
kids..


What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the
safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going
to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch
of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional.

One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race
expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and
years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to
slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have
done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the
conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old"
cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just
don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have
a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids.

"Lay enough cover fire" means putting the kids in harm's way. A
janitor's job is "cushy"?

In article , says...

On 12/19/2012 11:06 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote:

On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...



On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:

On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:



In article ,



says...







"JustWait" wrote in message ...







On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:











"GuzzisRule" wrote in message



...







On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"



wrote:











But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or



upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the



1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we



hear



today.















I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local



radio



stations. The statistics make



us look better.







However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.



Target



practice and hunting can



both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,



"What constitutes an assault



weapon?"







------------------------------------------







"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I



think



his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple



category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by



private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.







For private citizens:







Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for



target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round

capacity.



Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.



No



more than 5-10 rounds.



Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns

with



no



more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed



based on



background check.



Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can



include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.







For Law Enforcement and Military:







Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.



Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.







The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the



teeth



to protect themselves from their own government are long over.



That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private



citizens



don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.











There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as



administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,



etc



in schools and let them carry.







Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a



sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would



just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed



teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the



loud



speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down



cover



fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good



possibility



the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the



classroom.



We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the



unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the



system...







-------------------------------------







I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not



consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools



period.







We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in



Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of



Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police



officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.







Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have

police



officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american"

gangs



are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant

population



that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies



when it comes to illegal aliens.







We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional



influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the

whipping up



of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more

of an



influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking



for.







Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad

thing at



all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning



and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the



Federal, State and local governments.







The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to



the publics best interest.















It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be



targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"



and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's

why



I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be



retired PoPo in a second career...



So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low

paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.

Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class

heros of our society.

Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?



Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the

police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning

up **** that somebody left.





Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the

kids..





What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the

safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going

to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch

of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional.



One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race

expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and

years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to

slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have

done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the

conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old"

cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just

don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have

a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids.

What the 'ell...now you're talking about work ethics???
What is this... a Christmas present for us?

You sir, have no ****ing idea what I have done to get to the point that
our business is more or less automated... Years and years of very hard
work but either way, you have no place to judge me. Last time you did,
you called me dirty and greasy, when it turns out you raised your sow
and piglets in a stye...

Then why do you not pay your bills to the hospital and pay your taxes?

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:02:25 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...



On 12/19/2012 11:06 PM, wrote:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:

On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote:



On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote:



On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:



In article ,



says...







On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:



On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:







In article ,







says...















"JustWait" wrote in message ...















On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:























"GuzzisRule" wrote in message







...















On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"







wrote:























But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or







upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the







1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we







hear







today.































I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local







radio







stations. The statistics make







us look better.















However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.







Target







practice and hunting can







both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,







"What constitutes an assault







weapon?"















------------------------------------------















"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I







think







his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple







category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by







private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.















For private citizens:















Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for







target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round



capacity.







Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.







No







more than 5-10 rounds.







Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns



with







no







more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed







based on







background check.







Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can







include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.















For Law Enforcement and Military:















Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.







Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.















The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the







teeth







to protect themselves from their own government are long over.







That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private







citizens







don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.























There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as







administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,







etc







in schools and let them carry.















Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a







sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would







just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed







teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the







loud







speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down







cover







fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good







possibility







the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the







classroom.







We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the







unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the







system...















-------------------------------------















I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not







consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools







period.















We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in







Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of







Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police







officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.















Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have



police







officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american"



gangs







are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant



population







that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies







when it comes to illegal aliens.















We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional







influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the



whipping up







of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more



of an







influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking







for.















Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad



thing at







all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning







and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the







Federal, State and local governments.















The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to







the publics best interest.































It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be







targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"







and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's



why







I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be







retired PoPo in a second career...







So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low



paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.



Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class



heros of our society.



Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?







Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the



police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning



up **** that somebody left.











Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the



kids..











What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the



safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going



to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch



of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional.







One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race



expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and



years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to



slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have



done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the



conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old"



cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just



don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have



a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids.



What the 'ell...now you're talking about work ethics???

What is this... a Christmas present for us?



You sir, have no ****ing idea what I have done to get to the point that

our business is more or less automated... Years and years of very hard

work but either way, you have no place to judge me. Last time you did,

you called me dirty and greasy, when it turns out you raised your sow

and piglets in a stye...



Then why do you not pay your bills to the hospital and pay your taxes?

Yeah Snottie...what he said......

None of the crap was worth commenting about, so I snipped it all.