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#182
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Snickering Snotty
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids.. What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional. One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old" cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids. What the 'ell...now you're talking about work ethics??? What is this... a Christmas present for us? ~~ SNERK ~~ Why not just issue those see through shields the tactical cops use. They must be somewhat bulletproof. |
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#183
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Snickering Snotty
JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids.. What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional. One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old" cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids. Oh. I see. This is a theory of yours with no data. |
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#184
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Snickering Snotty
On 12/19/2012 11:06 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids.. What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional. One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old" cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids. What the 'ell...now you're talking about work ethics??? What is this... a Christmas present for us? You sir, have no ****ing idea what I have done to get to the point that our business is more or less automated... Years and years of very hard work but either way, you have no place to judge me. Last time you did, you called me dirty and greasy, when it turns out you raised your sow and piglets in a stye... ~~ SNERK ~~ Why not just issue those see through shields the tactical cops use. They must be somewhat bulletproof. |
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#185
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Snickering Snotty
On 12/19/2012 11:12 PM, ESAD wrote:
JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids.. What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional. One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old" cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids. Oh. I see. This is a theory of yours with no data. No **** Sherlock.. It's my idea, you got a better one asshole? All you care about it your pension, screw the kids, literally and figuratively, we already know what you are all about... |
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#186
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Snickering Snotty
On 12/19/12 10:45 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids.. What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional. One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old" cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids. Uh, just what "kushy" (sic) jobs are you referring to? Are you implying that public school employees don't have a work ethic? You do recall who was shot and killed last week, right? You know, public school employees...teachers, principal, teacher's aide, school counselor... |
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#187
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Snickering Snotty
On 12/19/12 11:41 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 11:12 PM, ESAD wrote: JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids.. What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional. One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old" cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids. Oh. I see. This is a theory of yours with no data. No **** Sherlock.. It's my idea, you got a better one asshole? All you care about it your pension, screw the kids, literally and figuratively, we already know what you are all about... Yeah, actually, I do. And so do the other rational people. |
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says... In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Because as a retiree, he has an income. You'd leave a janitor without an income. |
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On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids.. You stupid little twit, put away your narrow minded views and insanity for a minute and THINK. If you hire a retired cop, that cop already has an income. The janitor that he replaces will not. |
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On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the 1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we hear today. I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local radio stations. The statistics make us look better. However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons. Target practice and hunting can both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be, "What constitutes an assault weapon?" ------------------------------------------ "Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I think his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use. For private citizens: Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round capacity. Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting. No more than 5-10 rounds. Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns with no more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed based on background check. Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled. For Law Enforcement and Military: Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use. Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity. The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the teeth to protect themselves from their own government are long over. That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private citizens don't need high capacity, offensive weapons. There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers, etc in schools and let them carry. Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the loud speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down cover fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good possibility the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the classroom. We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the system... ------------------------------------- I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools period. We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police officers who come with badge, radio and handgun. Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have police officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american" gangs are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant population that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies when it comes to illegal aliens. We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the whipping up of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more of an influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking for. Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad thing at all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the Federal, State and local governments. The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to the publics best interest. It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room" and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's why I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be retired PoPo in a second career... So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living. Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class heros of our society. Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh? Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning up **** that somebody left. Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the kids.. What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional. One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have He may also mow down a few kids, too, did you ever think about THAT, dumbass? done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old" cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids. You don't seem to worry about the "work ethic" of the janitor that will be out of a job. |
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