On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.

On 7/7/2012 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

Time is measured from one point to another point. Without a "before"
there has to be a beginning. What was the beginning? Where did the
energy from the beginning come from or did it just exist in a state of
no time.

Only within this universe. What is south of the south pole?

In article , lid says...

On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.

We know the effect, we don't know the cause.

On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.

We know the effect, we don't know the cause.


So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it
is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't
know via religious belief. Superstition.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.

We know the effect, we don't know the cause.


So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it
is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't
know via religious belief. Superstition.

Nah, just a group trying to corral everyone into their beliefs to make
money.

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the
chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened.
Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the
universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't
just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.

We know the effect, we don't know the cause.


So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because
it
is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't
know via religious belief. Superstition.

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The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own
rules,
something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum
fluctuation *in*
(thereby causing the Big Bang)

"What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in
understanding
the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all
actual exist.

On 7/12/12 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the
chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.

We know the effect, we don't know the cause.


So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it
is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't
know via religious belief. Superstition.

----------------------------------------------------------

The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own
rules,
something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation
*in*
(thereby causing the Big Bang)

"What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in
understanding
the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual
exist.




I'm sure about me...but...are you more than a collection of electrons here?

Seriously, though (ha), the inability of man to know with certainly of
the existence of a creator is reason enough to be agnostic. We believe
such will remain unknown or unknowable and thus, our skepticism.

It's ironic to me that so many religious fundamentalists deny evolution
when so much of what they believe is the result of the evolution of
religion itself.

On 7/11/2012 10:21 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/7/2012 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound
guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

Time is measured from one point to another point. Without a "before"
there has to be a beginning. What was the beginning? Where did the
energy from the beginning come from or did it just exist in a state of
no time.

Only within this universe. What is south of the south pole?


Stand on the south pole and take 10 paces to the south. I think you will
find yourself marching in place.

On 7/11/2012 10:19 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound
guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.


Mexican food. ;-)

On 7/12/2012 8:20 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.

We know the effect, we don't know the cause.


So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it
is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't
know via religious belief. Superstition.

Nah, just a group trying to corral everyone into their beliefs to make
money.

Power and control through money.