On 5/5/12 6:29 PM, John H. wrote:

Now, there
needs to be more hunting to thin the population enough such that the rest of the herds can remain
healthy.


I agree. We need to thin out conservatives.

“Today’s so-called ‘conservatives’ don’t even know what the word means.
They think I’ve turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to
an abortion. That’s a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up
to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right. It’s not a
conservative issue at all.”
~Barry Goldwater

On 5/5/2012 6:22 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 18:03:47 -0400, wrote:

On 5/4/2012 4:22 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:54:33 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/4/12 3:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:17:34 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man

I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more
sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an
elk or a
moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high
powered
rifle and scope.


How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your
sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one
of the
ballyhoo you are trolling?
The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you
did was
reel it in.



Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a
lot more
dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that
sort of "hunting," either.

It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about
on a
game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat
sinks.

I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular"
hunting,
and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you
have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with
the
boat sinking.

What dangers? We are not talking about Alaskan crab fishermen here.
How many recreational fishermen are killed every year? (tossing out
the ones who just get drunk and fall out of the boat)


You mean, other than being pulled overboard by a fish, being bitten by a
pelagic, falling and hitting your head, arm strain, neck strain, back
strain, being impaled with large fish hooks, stabbed by knives, sun
poisoning, and heatstroke, among other things?

I am sure that pales in comparison to the number of hunters who fall
out of tree stands, drown in freezing water, get attacked by the
animal they are hunting, get bit by snakes, get shot by other hunters
or just shoot themselves. They still have all of those exposure risks,
knife injury risks and strain injuries trying to drag that elk out of
the woods. I suppose we could get some kind of numbers but I don't
care that much because they are probably meaningless.

You are still ignoring all the fishermen who are simply bottom fishing
off their dock. (probably analogous to shooting squirrels off your
porch)


Indeed, I was discussing big game fishing, since you mentioned sportfish
boats, tuna, ballyhoo and mates.

Oh, I wouldn't shoot a squirrel or any other animal.


Man is animal.

It's OK to kill baby humans.

Well, Harry seems to think so.

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 9:07 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 1:02 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 20:32:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/3/12 8:25 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 18:44:24 -0400, X `
wrote:


I live just outside Des Moines, and the local deer are so
numerous as
to be catagorized as vermin. I lost an auto to one. They cross my
lawn
on a daily basis. It would be great if hunters would kill vast
numbers
of them.

Casady


Typically, the problem you describe is the result of man
encroaching on
the natural habit of woodland critters and decimating it. So, we take
away the land on which critters live, eat, and breathe, and then we
shoot them.

There are significantly more deer in the suburbs than there ever have
been but the residents would not tolerate repopulating the predators
necessary for natural control. It turns out white tail deer are very
well adapted to suburban living. I have even seen them on the
Whitehurst Freeway in downtown DC.
Can you imagine the howl people would put up if we dumped a couple
dozen cougars around the beltway and in Rock Creek Park?
I doubt they would even tolerate that down in rural Calvert County.

(yet they did it near where I live here in SW Florida)


A few thousand cougars running loose in Florida could only improve the
quality of life for everyone in that state.


Isn't that the panther in FL?

I've read several serious articles about the cats that indicate they
are what are commonly known as cougars.

I didn't know FL had both....

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/5/12 1:40 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 19:28:55 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Bass fishermen are different, nobody wants to eat a freshwater bass
anyway, and artificials are perfect for them... Other fishermen catch
fish you want to eat, and they don't do as well with artificials. I
suppose you are gonna' tell us you never took a fish, never killed a
fish, and never used natural bait, right??? Pffffttt. I suppose you
will.


Lots of people eat freshwater bass, jerkwater.

Not serious bass fishermen.


Note that in my comment, I singled out "lots of people." I've seen
people eating largemouth freshwater bass they've caught, right in your
state.
I wasn't talking about "serious bass fishermen."

There are many, many recipes on the internet for largemouth bass. In a
simple search, I found 10,000+ hits for "recipes for largemouth bass."

Here's one from a Florida resident:


Title: Baked Bass Teriyaki
by retired1950
Type: Entree
Servings:
Difficulty: Easy
Prep Time: Marinate overnite
Cook Time: 25 minutes
Ingredients: Bass Fillets
bottle of teriyaki sauce
lemon juice
lemon pepper
1 medium onion, thinly sliced
Directions: Marinate the bass fillets overnight in the teryaki
sauce. Place bass in bread pan lined with aluminum foil. Sprinkle
lemon juice and lemon pepper over the fillets. Place onion slices on
the fillets. Cover the bass fillets with aliminum foil and bake at 375
for approximately 20 - 25 minutes. Enjoy
Other Notes: One of my favorites - Very tastey!
Date Added: 04/16/09 11:10 AM


As I posted, lots of people eat largemouth bass.

You can mask the nasty taste of a lot of food with Teriyaki sauce. As
far as freshwater fish are concerned, I like Walleye, Crappie, Perch,
Catfish (small), and trout. Largemouth Bass, from my experience, have a
very strong fishy flavor in any size.

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On Sat, 5 May 2012 08:50:05 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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You do understand that a very significant number of "released" fish
die from the experience?

Actually, treated correctly, most do NOT die and most don't hardly
suffer at all. Fish don't have the same neurology network that other
animals do.

I bet PETA would disagree with you.

PETA runs a slaughter house in Virginia.

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On Sat, 5 May 2012 16:45:18 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:01:15 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 4 May 2012 09:36:59 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

This is more the result of man killing the predators and then growing great
food crops for the deer. A lot more deer than the natural world would
support.

That is true.
There are far more deer in the US, particularly the east, than there
were when the Mayflower landed.
Crops are a real gravy train for them but it turns out that they also
thrive on ornamental plants in suburbia. I am still not sure why they
were on the Whitehurst freeway that night but I assume it was just a
short cut from the yummy food up on Foxhall road and the parkland in
Foggy Bottom.

We have a herd of at least six, that I saw last year, roaming our damn neighborhood. I am a long way
from the 'country'.

The anti-hunter ideas of 'saving the wildlife' are pure bull****. Africa is a different story, but
we're not talking about shooting elephants and tigers.

I expect those who talk about shooting 'fish in a barrel' have never tried to hit a quail or
pheasant on the fly or gone rabbit hunting with a .22 (and brought home dinner).

No, it's not bull****. My uncle's father, who lived to be 99 used to
tell me stories when I was a kid. He was a son of a farmer, then a
farmer in the middle of no where. He never saw a deer until he was in
his 30's because before they started regulating the hunt, they were
almost wiped out.

Kevin, you just made the case for today's hunting laws. They bring back the animals. Now, there
needs to be more hunting to thin the population enough such that the rest of the herds can remain
healthy.

Thanks for your insightful post. Well done.

Oh, you poor stupid man (and in your case I use the term man very
lightly). You still think I'm Kevin!!!!

On 5/6/2012 1:42 AM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 9:07 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 1:02 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 20:32:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/3/12 8:25 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 18:44:24 -0400, X `
wrote:


I live just outside Des Moines, and the local deer are so
numerous as
to be catagorized as vermin. I lost an auto to one. They cross my
lawn
on a daily basis. It would be great if hunters would kill vast
numbers
of them.

Casady


Typically, the problem you describe is the result of man
encroaching on
the natural habit of woodland critters and decimating it. So, we take
away the land on which critters live, eat, and breathe, and then we
shoot them.

There are significantly more deer in the suburbs than there ever have
been but the residents would not tolerate repopulating the predators
necessary for natural control. It turns out white tail deer are very
well adapted to suburban living. I have even seen them on the
Whitehurst Freeway in downtown DC.
Can you imagine the howl people would put up if we dumped a couple
dozen cougars around the beltway and in Rock Creek Park?
I doubt they would even tolerate that down in rural Calvert County.

(yet they did it near where I live here in SW Florida)


A few thousand cougars running loose in Florida could only improve the
quality of life for everyone in that state.


Isn't that the panther in FL?

I've read several serious articles about the cats that indicate they
are what are commonly known as cougars.

I didn't know FL had both....

Sure. And they have bobcats too. Harry captured one and held it
prisoner. But don't tell animal control. They wouldn't approve.

On 5/6/12 12:15 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:17:55 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/5/12 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 05 May 2012 10:37:50 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/5/12 10:30 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2012 08:50:05 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


You do understand that a very significant number of "released" fish
die from the experience?

Actually, treated correctly, most do NOT die and most don't hardly
suffer at all. Fish don't have the same neurology network that other
animals do.

I bet PETA would disagree with you.

So?

I am just pointing out the incongruities in "I"'s argument

He started out saying he was always catch and release, then he said he
eats the bass he catches, now he says the fish doesn't even feel a
hook in his cheek. That is denial.


Who "he"?


"I" man

Oh.

On 5/6/12 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:43:50 -0400, wrote:

I didn't know FL had both....

Sure. And they have bobcats too.

Actually quite a few
These are running around my wife's country club

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/Bobcat...%20through.jpg

The bobcats certainly are more attractive. Maybe your wife should target
the golfers, since they add nothing to the view.

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On Sat, 5 May 2012 12:46:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 05 May 2012 10:37:50 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 5/5/12 10:30 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2012 08:50:05 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


You do understand that a very significant number of "released" fish
die from the experience?

Actually, treated correctly, most do NOT die and most don't hardly
suffer at all. Fish don't have the same neurology network that other
animals do.

I bet PETA would disagree with you.

So?

I am just pointing out the incongruities in "I"'s argument

He started out saying he was always catch and release, then he said he
eats the bass he catches, now he says the fish doesn't even feel a
hook in his cheek. That is denial.

I'm sorry, please point out where I said I always catch and release,
would you? Betcha can't!

It was your response to the hunting vs fishing analogy and you even
made the point that you don't use live bait

Nope, never said that I always catch and release, that's a lie.

Now it turns out you are a famous bass slayer and you love Bambi
sausage. I assume you have someone else do that killing for you.

Yes, I do. Your point? What you fail to understand, and I've stated over
and over again, is the killing of animals for sport, and the fact that
you still can not answer how killing of said animal saves said animal.