Floriduh
 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:52:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:



The state that elected a crook for governor sets a new standard for
stupidity *and* hypocrisy.

Matthew Dowd, President George W. Bush’s former chief strategist, on
Sunday observed that the same conservative legislatures and governors
who are championing so-called Christian values like prayer in schools
are also pushing for dangerous gun laws that are counter to Christian
teachings.

During a panel on ABC, “Nightline” anchor Terry Moran noted that
Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law gave officials cover to not arrest
neighborhood watch vigilante George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon
Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American boy.

“No other state has a law like this,” Moran explained. “Not only is it
a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law — in the olden days under common law you had
a duty to retreat. ‘Stand Your Ground’ says, no, you don’t have to.
Florida goes one step farther. ‘Stand Your Ground’ is self defense —
defense at trial. It would go to trial where the jury would figure out
what happened.”

“In Florida, the law says if you raise a claim of self defense after
killing someone in public, you can’t even be arrested,” he added.
“It’s why prosecutors and police hated this law. It sabotaged our
justice system. All this discussion we’ve heard — What did Zimmerman
do? What did Trayvon do? — Juries are supposed to figure that out. The
Florida law destroys that American system.”

“There is such irony about this,” Dowd agreed. “Most of the states
that have passed this including Florida and the ‘Stand Your Ground’
laws and the expanded gun-ownership laws where you can carry a
concealed weapon are also the same states and the same legislatures
and the same governors who sort of pushed for prayer in the school.”

Dowd continued: “To me, there is such and irony here, that we want to
be a Christian nation and we want to act in a Christian manner, but
oh, by the way, we don’t believe in the turn your other cheek and we
don’t believe in love your enemy. We believe in loading citizens and
basically giving them an opportunity to shoot people.”

First of all, it is no surprise that you are all over this and that
you are twisting the facts and mis-stating reality to fit your
anti-gun mania.

Second, I'd like for you to cite where "the law says if you raise a
claim of self defense after killing someone in public, you can’t even
be arrested"

Third, I'd like for you to explain how " Juries are supposed to figure
that out," before or during the fact. Maybe you think the way this
should be handled is to let the criminal kill somebody and their
family and then let the lawyers fight it out in court. Personally,
I'll use my gun and then take my chances at being judged by 12 rather
than carried by 6. You can chose the opposite, if you wish.

Finally, If you believe that Trevon was murdered, feel free to show
how the "Hold Your Ground" law even applies, in the remotest way, in
that case.

I haven't twisted anything. The above recounting was a transcript of
an interchange on a news program that featured GW Bush's former cheif
strategist, who rightfully called out these bogus christians for
promoting laws that protect people using guns to kill others.

That was the only point.

Feel free to lose your mind and connect whatever point you think I'm
making to your fantasy scenarios but I won't be wasting my time
arguing with your lame attempt at debate.

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Floriduh
 

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Or, he was a nicew guy that was trying to help a buddy out of a jam in a bar, and he had a bitch for an ex.

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:45:13 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,
.
That is the same thing that Kevin guy used to do!

Maybe there's no difference between, "We don?t need you to do that," and, "Stay in your car!"

Here, idiot:

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said


How do you know?

At least you're not putting words in the cop's mouth any more.

There used to be a guy here named Kevin who did the same stupid ****. He was a name-caller also.

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:22:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

I'll expect an apology.

Go ahead and apologize for making up a story about what the police said,. Quoting something you read
somewhere does not make your statement true.

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:06:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 3/27/12 12:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/27/2012 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

That is Plum's MO...


Zimmerman was clearly told by the police dispatcher to stay in his car.
The transcripts were readily available, and that is one of the
statements that was perfectly clear.

No he wasn't. Go read the transcripts for yourself. You're as bad as that guy that sounds like Kevin
= making up ****.

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, BAR wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant

Zimmerman was the instigator of the entire event.

The state has to prove it is not true.

The state doesn't have to prove anything until he is indicted.

We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

You don't know what Martin's intentions were, maybe they were to
ascertain why Zimmerman was pursuing Martin.

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

Fat guy's with BMIs of over 36 pursue if they have a hero complex, which
Zimmerman appears to have had based upon his near constant contact with
the PD.

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/12 2:53 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me."

The kid was under no obligation to say anything. Zimmerman was and is a
nobody, beyond being a killer.

Floriduh
 

In article 23409357.826.1332874413803.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynlw24, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, BAR wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me." Game over, and you guys wouldn't be having this argument.

Since ya'll are so wound up about this, here's another take on it that I just happened to have run across. Interesting.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-765534

I like how the article paints Zimmerman as a gang member which also
paints Martin as a racist. Nice touch.

The interesting part of the transcript is:

Zimmerman: Okay. These a**holes they always get away...S**t he's
running.

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

Once Zimmerman got out of his car and pursued Martin all bets were off.
Zimmerman wound up getting his ass kicked and fired a gun because he was
losing the fight.

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/12 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Or, he was a nicew guy that was trying to help a buddy out of a jam in a bar, and he had a bitch for an ex.


No need to project.