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Floriduh
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On 3/26/2012 3:48 AM, jps wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:54:24 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, wrote: I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without hearing a word of testimony from the defendant. If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there. The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's story. I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat. Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said. You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. Oh, so only the great JPS knows what really happened... BTW, your version (the new black panther party version) is not supported by the facts we already have... So do YOU "know what really happened"? Fact: the kid was unarmed. Fact: The Sanford police knew Zimmerman well, because he was a hot head that called the police so frequently that they often completely ignored him. Another fact to add to that, he'd been reprimanded by the police for abusing the 911 system. Fact: It took only a few hours for the regressives to make it political. Fact: If he would have attacked me as he did the kid, he'd have gotten his ass kicked a whole lot worse. Fact: Zimmerman never saw the kid commit or attempt to commit a crime, the kid was simply stalked and harassed. Fact: this Zimmerman, who the regressives have put on a pedestal is a known abuser of women. He assaulted his wife. |
Floriduh
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says... In article , says... On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:54:24 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote: I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without hearing a word of testimony from the defendant. If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there. The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's story. I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat. Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said. You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. There is nothing wrong with the stand your ground law. Ther is something wrong with Zimmerman. I agree. |
Floriduh
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On 3/26/2012 2:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:17:55 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend. Martin's last words in that chat are Martin challenging Zimmerman, If you are seriously threatened on the street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending yourself. What the defense is going to say. This may not be a stand your ground case at all. The original self defense law says "fear imminent bodily "harm" (not death)" Zimmerman sustained bodily harm. How long would you and the rest of the pistolaros here tolerate someone over you beating you up while you are on your back on the ground. The physical evidence and all of the witness statements are consistent with that story. Witness says White shirt on top of another guy who is crying like a child and getting pummeled Evidence shows Grass and dirt on the back of Zimmernans RED shirt, Martin's WHITE hoodie, the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head and the bloody nose. Martin's father said that was not his son's voice on the 911 call. I am still waiting to see what all of this investigation turns up but those are the facts as I have seen them. I know it is tragic when anyone dies but actions have consequences. If martin attacked Zimmerman for following him, this is not what has been presented in the media and they will need to walk back a lot of this rhetoric. It is unlikely that the Florida courts would find him guilty even that they return an indictment unless we find out a whole lot more than we know now. Did Martin have any injuries indicating Zimmerman hit him? Was his hoodie dirty? What was the bullet trajectory? Are there any more witnesses or even a video? At the end of the day it is up to the prosecutor to prove, without a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman's story is not true, That is a tough hill to climb with the evidence we have seen so far. I suppose Holder could prosecute him for a thought crime but that is what it would be. Great level headed write up Greg... Yeah, we need idiot vigilantes who'll patrol the streets of suburbia and kill any kid they see with a hoodie and a bag of candy. |
Floriduh
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On 3/27/2012 7:28 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:48:40 -0700, wrote: All one needs to know is that Zimmerman pursued the eventual victim, after being told to stand down and wait for police. Not true. The exact words were "we don't NEED you to do that". There was never a comment that he shouldn't. This fat **** needed to stay in his car. A 17 year old kid would be alive and no one would want to skin his fat ass alive. If the kid had just kept walking he would be alive too but he chose to turn around and attack Zimmerman because he did not like the way he was looking at him. The kid would have been still been alive is Zimmerman had not gotten out of his vehicle and pursued the kid. Zimmerman initiated the entire incident. Too much bull**** to know that... First off, Zimmerman is not "white" as the New York Lies suggests, and why do they keep showing three year old pictures of Martin? Could it be that he is a lot bigger and more imposing now? The media has not given any of you the facts, that's why the FBI is in there... Hopefully Holder's racist Dept of Justice for Black Panthers and associates doesn't get any more involved, that's just campaign hookeybookey... "Too much bull**** to know that"? If Zimmerman had not gotten out of his vehicle and pursued the kid that he wouldn't still be alive???? |
Floriduh
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On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else. Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels... So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh? BULL****. |
Floriduh
On 3/27/2012 9:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else. Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels... So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh? BULL****. I never said anything about "lynching", that is your lie... BTW, have you called the Police down there? I am sure since you know exactly what happened you could straighten it out for them.. But as usual, as soon as I unplonk you, you make up stories again.. Strike three plonk |
Floriduh
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On 3/26/2012 10:28 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:10:47 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 3/26/12 9:01 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:31:51 -0400, wrote: In , says... Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching. If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer. When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman could have driven away and let the police handle the situation. Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death. Zimmerman says he never approached or pursued Martin, he got out of the truck to read a road sign. You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do. When you have had dozens of car burglaries, that is suspicious. The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call. You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin. Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown better judgment. There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears the opposite is true. He says he was jumped from behind. Of course he says that. And you believe him. The Sanford Police believe him and a few of us are still willing to wait to see if the FBI believes him. It is the people who have already made up their mind that he chased Martin down and shot him (some even believe, in the back) who are doing the lynching. Nobody Believes Martin was shot in the back, but bigots and racists will say it anyway because it suits their agenda. The hypocrisy is in their willingness to take away a citizens rights in the name of someone elses... Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He was told to stay in his car. |
Floriduh
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On 3/27/2012 9:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else. Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels... So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh? BULL****. I never said anything about "lynching", that is your lie... BTW, have you called the Police down there? I am sure since you know exactly what happened you could straighten it out for them.. But as usual, as soon as I unplonk you, you make up stories again.. Strike three plonk Do you even READ what you right? YOU wholeheartedly agreed to the statement that "That is not justice, it is a lynching". |
Floriduh
On 3/27/2012 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
Do you even READ what you right? YOU wholeheartedly agreed to the statement that "That is not justice, it is a lynching". Hoo boy! ;-( http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db |
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