"Mark Browne" wrote in message
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The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left
with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend
for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they
can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to
union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union
organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house)
and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it
out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it
*can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get
rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John
Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I
can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in
line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or
not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to
$20k today?

Because the price has risen with inflation.
Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk
lately?
Next question.

Mark Browne
P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave
labor - think how cheap his car would be then!




Hint: UAW wages/benefits in 200 amounted to approximately $62.78 per active hour
worked.

http://media.gm.com/division/uaw/03n...ts%20final.doc

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"Mark Browne" wrote in message
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snip
The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are
left
with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The
trend
for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize
they
can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year
to
union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union
organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board
house)
and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an
hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They
pull it
out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it
*can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to
get
rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file
sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and
John
Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years.
I
can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere
in
line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just
like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get
the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue.
Or
not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close
to
$20k today?

Because the price has risen with inflation.
Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk
lately?
Next question.

Mark Browne
P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave
labor - think how cheap his car would be then!




Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for
those good old
days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse.

How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark?

Jim,

You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the prison
guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to
insult engineers, have at it.

BTW - what is it you do again?

Mark Browne




Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains
everything.

So you agree with the $60+ hour wage/benefits the average high school educated UAW
worker is making?

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"Jim -" wrote in message
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Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to
$20k today?

Why would the same car assembled from parts cost $100K today?

Same answer: Greed


Well, not exactly. I ran a company into the ground thinking like that. A
part assembled into that car might end up costing about twice what the
manufacturer pays for it. Even that is a fairly tight margin if you are
selling through distribution. If you pay someone to store it for a few
years, pay inventory taxes just for owing it, pay the overhead of counting
it yearly and the overhead of selling each part one at a time instead of in
a single batch, it ends up pricing at about four times the cost to buy it.
Harsh, but true.

They really do a ****-poor job of teaching this stuff during a engineering
degree program. It is astounding the lessons you learn when you run your own
business. (into the round) Since then, as I have worked for others, I have
paid very close attention in the ins and outs of business finance. I have
asked lots of questions and paid closes attention to financial details. If I
were to run another company these sort of things would be handled a whole
lot better.

I have also spent a certain amount of time with the CEOs of several of the
companies I have worked for. One of the question I have asked each of them
is "why do you do it - you could make more money putting your investment in
high yield investments?" Each and every one has answered in about the same
way - control. If you work for someone else you might think that a
particular product is going to hit it big next year. You may or may not be
able to convince someone in management that this is going to be the Next Big
Thing. More than likely not. If you are driving the train - you get to
decide which track you take, and how much you will coal you will pour to the
flames. A worker is essentially working with a fixed income. Within fairly
narrow limits, you will make the same no matter what you do. A company CEO
that uses money wisely can capitalize as needed to follow a plan. If he
thinks that something is going to be the Next Big Thing, he can borrow the
bucks, hire the people, and build away. Control of your (and others)
destiny. They don't do a very good job of teaching this either.

Mark Browne

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The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total
US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are
left
with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce.
The
trend
for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers
realize
they
can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each
year
to
union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union
organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board
house)
and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks
an
hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They
pull it
out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool,
it
*can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that
want to
get
rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples
include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file
sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and
John
Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the
years.
I
can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John
Deere
in
line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is
useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues.
Just
like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership
get
the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat"
issue.
Or
not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of
fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost
close
to
$20k today?

Because the price has risen with inflation.
Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of
milk
lately?
Next question.

Mark Browne
P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of
slave
labor - think how cheap his car would be then!




Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn
for
those good old
days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse.

How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today
Mark?

Jim,

You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the
prison
guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to
insult engineers, have at it.

BTW - what is it you do again?

Mark Browne




Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That
explains
everything.

Jim,
Once again, you are confused. Electronic engineers have never successfully
been able to organize an effective union in most industries. I have never
worked under a union contract. Try again.

Mark Browne

"Jim -" wrote in message
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Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That
explains
everything.

It doesn't explain why you're such a stupid ass.

So you agree with the $60+ hour wage/benefits the average high school
educated UAW
worker is making?

Jealous? I'll bet you are.

Why should a high-school educated person make more than someone like you who
completed two years at community college? It's just not fair!

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"jps" wrote in message
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"Jim -" wrote in message
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Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to
$20k today?

Why would the same car assembled from parts cost $100K today?

Same answer: Greed




Well, not exactly. I ran a company into the ground .... If I
were to run another company snip

Mark Browne

Yes, if you ran another company you would most likely run it into the ground also. :-)
A pretty smart fella you are Mark.

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The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total
US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are
left
with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce.
The
trend
for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers
realize
they
can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each
year
to
union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union
organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board
house)
and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks
an
hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They
pull it
out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool,
it
*can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that
want to
get
rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples
include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file
sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and
John
Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the
years.
I
can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John
Deere
in
line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is
useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues.
Just
like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership
get
the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat"
issue.
Or
not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of
fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost
close
to
$20k today?

Because the price has risen with inflation.
Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of
milk
lately?
Next question.

Mark Browne
P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of
slave
labor - think how cheap his car would be then!




Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn
for
those good old
days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse.

How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today
Mark?

Jim,

You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the
prison
guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to
insult engineers, have at it.

BTW - what is it you do again?

Mark Browne




Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That
explains
everything.

Jim,
Once again, you are confused. Electronic engineers have never successfully
been able to organize an effective union in most industries. I have never
worked under a union contract. Try again.

Mark Browne




OK, so I was wrong. But you did admit that you previously ran a company into the
ground. You obviously lack the basic knowledge on what it takes to run a successful
business.

"Jim -" wrote in message
et...

OK, so I was wrong. But you did admit that you previously ran a company
into the
ground. You obviously lack the basic knowledge on what it takes to run a
successful
business.

Someone tells you that they ran a company out of business and you use it
against them when your grasping at straws fails to make him look bad?

You are one scummy piece of **** Dennis.

jps wrote:
"Jim -" wrote in message
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Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That
explains
everything.

It doesn't explain why you're such a stupid ass.

So you agree with the $60+ hour wage/benefits the average high school
educated UAW
worker is making?

Jealous? I'll bet you are.

Why should a high-school educated person make more than someone like you who
completed two years at community college? It's just not fair!



Isn't it amazing the amount of resentment and jealousy the right-wing
trash feels towards unionized workers? I see a lot of it in my
organizing work, the marginally successful right-wingers looking over
their shoulders at a blue-collar worker gaining on them economically.
They *really* are resentful and insecure. For evidence, you need look no
farther than the right-wing trash on this newsgroup.






email sent to will *never* get to me.

"Jim -" wrote in message
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Yes, if you ran another company you would most likely run it into the
ground also. :-)
A pretty smart fella you are Mark.

And as Harry would say, you're a rectal fissure Dennis.