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Hehehe. Good one.
The answer is "no", however. "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:deCbb.404985$Oz4.195994@rwcrnsc54... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... I don't think jerking *each other* off will do that. snip You have a lot of experience in this? Mark Browne |
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No, anyone who wants to discuss Ashcroft in a boat forum is welcome to do
so, and you can effectively criticize any of the administrations policies for whatever reason you want to, the theory just states that whenever someone calls someone a Nazi's or Communists, it normally means they feel that they are losing the argument and are using these fear tactics as a last ditch effort to win the argument. If you read NG often, you will see it does have validity. "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:ekCbb.405017$Oz4.196831@rwcrnsc54... "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:QCAbb.549925$uu5.91282@sccrnsc04... Chuck, Conservative do not necessarily think or believe any thoughts in unison, but it appears that the Republican Party might try to use issues and political messages in a more focused method than the Democratic Party. I do believe there is a NG theory that you can always tell when someone believes he has lost an argument, he begins to call the other side a Communist or a Nazi. It is way to early in the campaign for you to give up. snip It would seem that this little theory give the current administration a special advantage in newsgroup discussion - "you must be losing ; you claim we are a bunch of Nazis!" That pretty much limits effective criticism of Ashcroft's activities! Mark Browne |
#113
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Chuck,
Conservative do not necessarily think or believe any thoughts in unison, but it appears that the Republican Party might try to use issues and political messages in a more focused method than the Democratic Party. I do believe there is a NG theory that you can always tell when someone believes he has lost an argument, he begins to call the other side a Communist or a Nazi. It is way to early in the campaign for you to give up. Allow me to clarify. I didn't call anybody a communist- but I did note a certain similarity between the concept that one has to love the current leader and his agenda to be considered a "patriot" and the regulation of thought and expression for the supposed benefit of the state in certain countries not so very long ago. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Chuck, Before 3 days ago, I have not heard of Weasly ( ), but if jps likes him he has to be one dumb dude. From what I have read in the past 3 days, he seems like he is another Ross Perot, a successful man, who can go over the edge. I don't believe anyone in either party (with the exception of jps) views him as a serious candidate. He will be a great flash in the pan. Well, you guys with the (political) party hats on figure out who you're going to run and then the rest of us will start looking seriously at the finalists. Let's see: Republicans? Probably going to stick with the current dude. Won't need to spend too much time speculating how he would run the country if (re)elected. Democrats? They have their work cut out for them this time around. Every vote counts the same, and the conservatives have done a far more effective job of organizing the thoughts and attitudes of the rw constituency. It's a basic weakness of liberalism. Liberals say: "Go ahead and think whatever you want, as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else." No F'n wonder the left is all over the map! Conservatives do have the handle on this thing. They tend to say: "Think like this, exactly, or you are not patriotic and can't be considered a true American! In our binary world you're either 110% behind George Bush or you support the terrorist overthrow of the US." Doesn't do much for independent thought, but then again who needs independent thought if it causes the party to lose focus? ((Didn't we used to hear that such a statement was a dangerous idea from Eastern Europe?)) http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm |
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Chuck,
While you may hear the idea expressed in this NG or the talk shows by a few people, most thinking conservative or liberals do not feel that one's political ideology effects one ability to be a "patriot" or one's love of country. A few radical talking heads might express that view, but it is still a small percent of the citizen. To use the viewpoint of a few conservatives as a representative viewpoint of the majority of conservatives would the same as assuming that the majority of liberals would endorse the antagonistic attitude, the "I dare you to knock this chip off my shoulder" as expressed by jps, basskisser and Harry. Neither of these extremes are representative of the majority. If I was a betting man, I would bet that a large percent of the views expressed in this and other NG are not necessary the viewpoint of the author, but a very effective way of trolling. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Chuck, Conservative do not necessarily think or believe any thoughts in unison, but it appears that the Republican Party might try to use issues and political messages in a more focused method than the Democratic Party. I do believe there is a NG theory that you can always tell when someone believes he has lost an argument, he begins to call the other side a Communist or a Nazi. It is way to early in the campaign for you to give up. Allow me to clarify. I didn't call anybody a communist- but I did note a certain similarity between the concept that one has to love the current leader and his agenda to be considered a "patriot" and the regulation of thought and expression for the supposed benefit of the state in certain countries not so very long ago. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Chuck, Before 3 days ago, I have not heard of Weasly ( ), but if jps likes him he has to be one dumb dude. From what I have read in the past 3 days, he seems like he is another Ross Perot, a successful man, who can go over the edge. I don't believe anyone in either party (with the exception of jps) views him as a serious candidate. He will be a great flash in the pan. Well, you guys with the (political) party hats on figure out who you're going to run and then the rest of us will start looking seriously at the finalists. Let's see: Republicans? Probably going to stick with the current dude. Won't need to spend too much time speculating how he would run the country if (re)elected. Democrats? They have their work cut out for them this time around. Every vote counts the same, and the conservatives have done a far more effective job of organizing the thoughts and attitudes of the rw constituency. It's a basic weakness of liberalism. Liberals say: "Go ahead and think whatever you want, as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else." No F'n wonder the left is all over the map! Conservatives do have the handle on this thing. They tend to say: "Think like this, exactly, or you are not patriotic and can't be considered a true American! In our binary world you're either 110% behind George Bush or you support the terrorist overthrow of the US." Doesn't do much for independent thought, but then again who needs independent thought if it causes the party to lose focus? ((Didn't we used to hear that such a statement was a dangerous idea from Eastern Europe?)) http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm |
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While you may hear the idea expressed in this NG or the talk shows by a few
people, most thinking conservative or liberals do not feel that one's political ideology effects one ability to be a "patriot" or one's love of country. A few radical talking heads might express that view, but it is still a small percent of the citizen. The talking heads who regurgitate this rubbish are wildly successful. Ann Coulter's book accusing all liberals of being "traitors" sold how many million copies? Too many people without the time and energy to think for themselves are too eager to repeat the latest whiz-bang sound byte as a substitute for legitimate opinion. The largest audiences in the country are listening to right wing radio. It would be hard to convince me that most of those listeners don't generally agree with the sentiments expressed. All too many of them are quick to repeat, word for word, the latest slogan circling the bowl. Emotional arguments develop when people from one side or the other cannot logically support their opinions, and cannot do so because the opinions have been handed to them rather than developed through a normal process. If there's going to be any choice in the next election, it will have to be provided by the D's. The R's are sticking with the horse that pulled the cart to this point. Too darn bad the R's don't have a candidate like the guy who gave the following speech. Comparing this speech to the current, miserable state of civic discourse is really shocking. There is a lot more emotional energy these days, more bitterness and rancour than before. Again, I think it's because many people haven't done the homework to understand *why* they have a certain opinion, they believe what they are told is best for the country. That observation applies to the left as well as the right. I like the following Republican's comments about controlling government spending: http://www.polsci.ucsb.edu/projects/...pages/reagan1s u.html He was concerned about a "trillion dollar debt." How times have changed. We're paying a significant portion of that much every year in interest alone on the current debt. :-( |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net... According to Howard Fineman in the current Newsweek magazine, it almost happened...but the Republicans weren't interested. Clark was hurt that they didn't want him. I guess another waffling, untruthful, pompous ass, former Rhodes scholar from Little Rock didn't appeal to them. But a nincompoop with no sign of intelligence from Texas did? The Republicans are only interested in those who'll fall in line. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net... Actually, the typo was the last "l" that I inadvertently put at the end of Weasly...a play on the name Wesley...and a more appropriate name for such a weasel. Let's see, you support a guy who needlessly puts our kids at risk in a ficticious war but you're against a military man who's commited to using military force as a means of last resort. Who's a flip flopping weasel in the equation? |
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"Snafu" wrote in message nk.net... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Snafu" wrote in message nk.net... Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement: "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head of the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets are flying and showing them where to go. General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's a snippet from his bio: "As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw combat in Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against the Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart and a Silver Star." (Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml) John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with three Purple Hearts. Your point is? WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's leadership ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the qualities that you say a leader needs. Maybe those purple hearts were from getting shot by his own charges? According to reports, he was not an admired general in the Losovo campaign as well as almost starting WW III with the Russians over an airport. Bill |
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"jps" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... Actually, the typo was the last "l" that I inadvertently put at the end of Weasly...a play on the name Wesley...and a more appropriate name for such a weasel. Let's see, you support a guy who needlessly puts our kids at risk in a ficticious war but you're against a military man who's commited to using military force as a means of last resort. Who's a flip flopping weasel in the equation? The guy that said last Thursday "I probably would have voted for the resolution", and then stated last Friday "I would not have voted for the resolution". I've heard of problems with short-term memory and with people having "senior moments" before...but in 24 hours? |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Snafu wrote: "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Snafu" wrote in message nk.net... Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement: "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head of the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets are flying and showing them where to go. General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's a snippet from his bio: "As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw combat in Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against the Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart and a Silver Star." (Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml) John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with three Purple Hearts. Your point is? WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's leadership ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the qualities that you say a leader needs. If Clark were a Republican, Bert would be standing at attention and saluting. According to Howard Fineman in the current Newsweek magazine, it almost happened...but the Republicans weren't interested. Clark was hurt that they didn't want him. I guess another waffling, untruthful, pompous ass, former Rhodes scholar from Little Rock didn't appeal to them. Whatever Clark is, he's certainly more qualified to be POTUS than the thrice-arrested, drug-snorting, alcoholic, anti-intellectual piece of unadulterated crap now occupying the White House. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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