On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...

If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can
attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.


It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy
court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch



Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is
nine-tenths' bit.

Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control.

And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From
your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars,
so don't stick my head in your door.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well.
--

John H

"Jim" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:36:24 -0500, Rob wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:51:38 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:21 -0500, John
wrote:

Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything.
Sounds like they're goners anyway.
Looks like you were just in time. Good move.
Better see if they actually winterized your boat.

--Vic
I'm not taking any chances. I took it to another Yamaha guy a little
further down the road, Stafford Marine. Told them what happened. Told
them to winterize it, even if it had already been done.

I hadn't given the Dumfries folks any money, so I'm not out anything.
It just takes an extra half-hour of driving to get to this place. But,
that's OK.
--

John H
Read that manual and winterize it yourself.......
oh wait...you don't read manuals.


He has a big boy outboard that they don't sell at Toys R Us.

Rob

And a *new* big boy outboard. Once the warranty has expired, *then*
I'll start doing this stuff myself.

Up until then I figure I'll help out the local marina economy. When
you've got all the money I have (~snerk~), a hundred bucks once a year
isn't going to hurt anything!

When it comes time to DIY be sure to consult with Donnie and the Plum.
Donny has a little rope pull kicker and the plum once owned half interest
in a 14 ft hobie.

Glad you got your boat back without undue problems.


You're half right...which is better than usual.
I do own a 1954/55 British Seagull 40 Plus that requires a starter rope to
be wound around the flywheel.
On my Princecraft Yukon I'm all electric start...... both the 25hp Johnson
and the Minn Kota.

"H the K" wrote in message
...
On 11/25/09 7:52 AM, Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police
would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.
--

John H

Well this is a different scenario that we were led to believe.
In this case I would have gone in and recovered my property
too...assuming
it was on 'common tenant ground' behind a mall.
I'd claim they abandoned it.




So...there's no chance herring might be arrested? Too bad.


Can you imagine him locked up behind bars? All his crying & whinning would
drive the cops foolish.
Maybe they could put him to work in the galley...baking muffins for the
other prisoners.

In article ,
om says...

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...

If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can
attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.


It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy
court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch



Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is
nine-tenths' bit.

Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control.

And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From
your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars,
so don't stick my head in your door.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well.

Yeah, on Dec. 5 Tom and I are going up to the shop and I am gonna' have
my special guitar looked at. Might need a neck tweak!

I didn't cut my hair, and I ain't giving up my hat, so I may have to
drive myself Well, I do have a newer hat I may consider, but it's not
broke in yet (not smelly yet)

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:29:51 -0500, i am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...

If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can
attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.


It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy
court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch



Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is
nine-tenths' bit.

Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control.

And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From
your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars,
so don't stick my head in your door.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well.

Yeah, on Dec. 5 Tom and I are going up to the shop and I am gonna' have
my special guitar looked at. Might need a neck tweak!

I didn't cut my hair, and I ain't giving up my hat, so I may have to
drive myself Well, I do have a newer hat I may consider, but it's not
broke in yet (not smelly yet)

If he still had those speakers, and if it were a nice enough day for a
bike ride, I might would join you!

Sounds like fun, even if you have to ride in the back.

If I were you I'd get a haircut. That stuff gets caught up between the
chain and the sprockets, and you might throw a chain. Be a damn shame
to hurt a good bike 'cause of pretty hair.
--

John H

In article ,
om says...

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:29:51 -0500, i am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...

If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can
attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.


It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy
court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch



Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is
nine-tenths' bit.

Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control.

And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From
your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars,
so don't stick my head in your door.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well.

Yeah, on Dec. 5 Tom and I are going up to the shop and I am gonna' have
my special guitar looked at. Might need a neck tweak!

I didn't cut my hair, and I ain't giving up my hat, so I may have to
drive myself Well, I do have a newer hat I may consider, but it's not
broke in yet (not smelly yet)

If he still had those speakers, and if it were a nice enough day for a
bike ride, I might would join you!

Sounds like fun, even if you have to ride in the back.

If I were you I'd get a haircut. That stuff gets caught up between the
chain and the sprockets, and you might throw a chain. Be a damn shame
to hurt a good bike 'cause of pretty hair.

I try to keep my head away from the back tire Either way, if I cut my
hair, mama cuts the riding budget (and a few other things too. The
wife loves my hair, that's my story, and I am sticking to it!

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:34:58 -0500, John H
wrote:



No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

hehe. Been a long-winded argument - about nothing.
Anyway, I come down on the "take the boat home side."
That de plume DA/judge/defendent dialog is dark fiction.
How it really works is all these guys start talking about boats and
all the fishing Colonel John Herring (Retired) was missing because
this place had kidnapped his new boat. Case dismissed.
All speculation of course, but you do what you gotta do.
One time I came home from work on a Friday, having got a nice raise.
Wanted to get home and give the wife the good news.
The guy in front of me was a classic slowpoke, and I finally got a
little ****ed, seeing he was going to make me miss another light.
Dropped my F-150 into first, opened that 352 up, and popped the
clutch. Fishtailed around him, tires squealing, moved into second,
and was doing 50 in a 25 by the time I hit the light on Central Park.
It turned red just as I got there, but I was through it before anybody
could move.
Let off the gas and heard that beautiful exhaust purr/growl the 352 is
famous for. Famous to me anyway. First V-8 I rebuilt myself.
As I pulled into the 7/11 a couple blocks past the light to pick up a
gallon of milk I see a police cruiser in my mirror - barreling though
the now green light.
I was parked and walking toward the store door as the cruiser squealed
into the parking lot, and the 2 cops jumped out of the car.
I know they got me for reckless driving, speeding 50 in a 25, and
running a red.
But since hope springs eternal I just pretended nothing had happened
until the young one yelled at me with a "Hey! Where you going?!"
So I stopped and walked over to them with a smile.
"Hey guys. Getting some milk for the kids. What's going on?."
The young guy was really ****ed, like he waned to cuff me, but the
older one, maybe 50 or so, was relaxed. He was in charge.
"You in a hurry?"
"Sort of. Just got a raise and I wanted to get home and tell the
wife. Sorry about that. Been following that guy for 3 missed lights
and he never got over 20. My fault."
The cop says, "Good raise?"
"Yeah, they took me on as an intern, and hired me today. 50 percent."
I was smiling ear to ear just thinking about it.
Cop says "Wow. Nice. I'm retiring myself - in 2 months."
I say "No kidding. You're a young guy. Whatcha gonna do?"
Cop says, "I bought a little dairy farm up in Wisconsin, near
Ladysmith."
That's way up there. North of Minneapolis.
"No ****!," says I. "It's beautiful there. I take the family to
Grindstone every year for our vacation. Man, it's good fishing."
So we start talking Grindstone, Hayward and Wisconsin fishing.
I think this guy bought a dairy farm just to get close to the fishing.
Probably how he sold the move to Wisconsin to his wife.
In the meantime, the young cop, who had his ticket book out, had
started fidgeting, then shaking his head, then stormed back to the
cruiser, slamming the door. Not a fisherman.
Me and Al - we got on a first name basis - continued to talk fishing
for a while, then he cut let me loose with a warning, and we all went
about our business.
Told me to be careful, and I said I would be. And I was - for a
while. Al was a nice guy. Met some good Chicago cops in my reckless
driving days. Always wondered how that dairy farm worked out for him.
Anyway, a smile and an apology often beats the rap. If you can talk
fishing, it's almost a lock. And give the Irishmen some blarney.
You a good smiler, John?

--Vic
..

Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
On 11/25/09 7:52 AM, Don White wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police
would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!
The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob
No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.
--

John H
Well this is a different scenario that we were led to believe.
In this case I would have gone in and recovered my property
too...assuming
it was on 'common tenant ground' behind a mall.
I'd claim they abandoned it.



So...there's no chance herring might be arrested? Too bad.


Can you imagine him locked up behind bars? All his crying & whinning would
drive the cops foolish.
Maybe they could put him to work in the galley...baking muffins for the
other prisoners.



Can you imagine what would happen if we left rec.boats? No one would
ever talk about boats. I like the way you included the word galley in
your post, but the idiots in rec.boats don't even know what a galley is.

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:41:23 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:34:58 -0500, John H
wrote:



No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

hehe. Been a long-winded argument - about nothing.
Anyway, I come down on the "take the boat home side."
That de plume DA/judge/defendent dialog is dark fiction.
How it really works is all these guys start talking about boats and
all the fishing Colonel John Herring (Retired) was missing because
this place had kidnapped his new boat. Case dismissed.
All speculation of course, but you do what you gotta do.
One time I came home from work on a Friday, having got a nice raise.
Wanted to get home and give the wife the good news.
The guy in front of me was a classic slowpoke, and I finally got a
little ****ed, seeing he was going to make me miss another light.
Dropped my F-150 into first, opened that 352 up, and popped the
clutch. Fishtailed around him, tires squealing, moved into second,
and was doing 50 in a 25 by the time I hit the light on Central Park.
It turned red just as I got there, but I was through it before anybody
could move.
Let off the gas and heard that beautiful exhaust purr/growl the 352 is
famous for. Famous to me anyway. First V-8 I rebuilt myself.
As I pulled into the 7/11 a couple blocks past the light to pick up a
gallon of milk I see a police cruiser in my mirror - barreling though
the now green light.
I was parked and walking toward the store door as the cruiser squealed
into the parking lot, and the 2 cops jumped out of the car.
I know they got me for reckless driving, speeding 50 in a 25, and
running a red.
But since hope springs eternal I just pretended nothing had happened
until the young one yelled at me with a "Hey! Where you going?!"
So I stopped and walked over to them with a smile.
"Hey guys. Getting some milk for the kids. What's going on?."
The young guy was really ****ed, like he waned to cuff me, but the
older one, maybe 50 or so, was relaxed. He was in charge.
"You in a hurry?"
"Sort of. Just got a raise and I wanted to get home and tell the
wife. Sorry about that. Been following that guy for 3 missed lights
and he never got over 20. My fault."
The cop says, "Good raise?"
"Yeah, they took me on as an intern, and hired me today. 50 percent."
I was smiling ear to ear just thinking about it.
Cop says "Wow. Nice. I'm retiring myself - in 2 months."
I say "No kidding. You're a young guy. Whatcha gonna do?"
Cop says, "I bought a little dairy farm up in Wisconsin, near
Ladysmith."
That's way up there. North of Minneapolis.
"No ****!," says I. "It's beautiful there. I take the family to
Grindstone every year for our vacation. Man, it's good fishing."
So we start talking Grindstone, Hayward and Wisconsin fishing.
I think this guy bought a dairy farm just to get close to the fishing.
Probably how he sold the move to Wisconsin to his wife.
In the meantime, the young cop, who had his ticket book out, had
started fidgeting, then shaking his head, then stormed back to the
cruiser, slamming the door. Not a fisherman.
Me and Al - we got on a first name basis - continued to talk fishing
for a while, then he cut let me loose with a warning, and we all went
about our business.
Told me to be careful, and I said I would be. And I was - for a
while. Al was a nice guy. Met some good Chicago cops in my reckless
driving days. Always wondered how that dairy farm worked out for him.
Anyway, a smile and an apology often beats the rap. If you can talk
fishing, it's almost a lock. And give the Irishmen some blarney.
You a good smiler, John?

--Vic
.

Yup. I have two bro's that are retired cops. I find getting along with
them real easy.

Good story. Thanks.

Smiler? You bet. You must have missed the picture giving Harry, Donny,
et al, something to talk about.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v229/167...32218_8642.jpg
--

John H

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:41:23 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:34:58 -0500, John H
wrote:



No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

hehe. Been a long-winded argument - about nothing.
Anyway, I come down on the "take the boat home side."
That de plume DA/judge/defendent dialog is dark fiction.
How it really works is all these guys start talking about boats and
all the fishing Colonel John Herring (Retired) was missing because
this place had kidnapped his new boat. Case dismissed.
All speculation of course, but you do what you gotta do.
One time I came home from work on a Friday, having got a nice raise.
Wanted to get home and give the wife the good news.
The guy in front of me was a classic slowpoke, and I finally got a
little ****ed, seeing he was going to make me miss another light.
Dropped my F-150 into first, opened that 352 up, and popped the
clutch. Fishtailed around him, tires squealing, moved into second,
and was doing 50 in a 25 by the time I hit the light on Central Park.
It turned red just as I got there, but I was through it before anybody
could move.
Let off the gas and heard that beautiful exhaust purr/growl the 352 is
famous for. Famous to me anyway. First V-8 I rebuilt myself.
As I pulled into the 7/11 a couple blocks past the light to pick up a
gallon of milk I see a police cruiser in my mirror - barreling though
the now green light.
I was parked and walking toward the store door as the cruiser squealed
into the parking lot, and the 2 cops jumped out of the car.
I know they got me for reckless driving, speeding 50 in a 25, and
running a red.
But since hope springs eternal I just pretended nothing had happened
until the young one yelled at me with a "Hey! Where you going?!"
So I stopped and walked over to them with a smile.
"Hey guys. Getting some milk for the kids. What's going on?."
The young guy was really ****ed, like he waned to cuff me, but the
older one, maybe 50 or so, was relaxed. He was in charge.
"You in a hurry?"
"Sort of. Just got a raise and I wanted to get home and tell the
wife. Sorry about that. Been following that guy for 3 missed lights
and he never got over 20. My fault."
The cop says, "Good raise?"
"Yeah, they took me on as an intern, and hired me today. 50 percent."
I was smiling ear to ear just thinking about it.
Cop says "Wow. Nice. I'm retiring myself - in 2 months."
I say "No kidding. You're a young guy. Whatcha gonna do?"
Cop says, "I bought a little dairy farm up in Wisconsin, near
Ladysmith."
That's way up there. North of Minneapolis.
"No ****!," says I. "It's beautiful there. I take the family to
Grindstone every year for our vacation. Man, it's good fishing."
So we start talking Grindstone, Hayward and Wisconsin fishing.
I think this guy bought a dairy farm just to get close to the fishing.
Probably how he sold the move to Wisconsin to his wife.
In the meantime, the young cop, who had his ticket book out, had
started fidgeting, then shaking his head, then stormed back to the
cruiser, slamming the door. Not a fisherman.
Me and Al - we got on a first name basis - continued to talk fishing
for a while, then he cut let me loose with a warning, and we all went
about our business.
Told me to be careful, and I said I would be. And I was - for a
while. Al was a nice guy. Met some good Chicago cops in my reckless
driving days. Always wondered how that dairy farm worked out for him.
Anyway, a smile and an apology often beats the rap. If you can talk
fishing, it's almost a lock. And give the Irishmen some blarney.
You a good smiler, John?

--Vic
.

Yup. I have two bro's that are retired cops. I find getting along with
them real easy.

Good story. Thanks.

Smiler? You bet. You must have missed the picture giving Harry, Donny,
et al, something to talk about.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v229/167...32218_8642.jpg
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John H


Please...that would be considered torture in a civilized country.