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Okay, so here's what happened.
I am Tosk wrote:
In , om says... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Have you contacted the local news and papers. This sounds like something that needs to be brought to the attention of the locals. If they are going under (sounds like it), folks should know like you to go get their boats, or any other assets they people are holding... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. |
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#3
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Okay, so here's what happened.
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:45:42 -0500, Rob wrote:
I am Tosk wrote: In , om says... On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them, Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of town for a few days. I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still had heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they should have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message. Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing. The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's 16 Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the hell is happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the hitch, but other than that there is no security. Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again on Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording that the phone's been disconnected. ****. I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to call and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a fluke, or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things out and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter to civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as far as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me. This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I get there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff loaded in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone replies. Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place. I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I ask if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I want my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't called, his response is, "Personal problems." Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything. Have you contacted the local news and papers. This sounds like something that needs to be brought to the attention of the locals. If they are going under (sounds like it), folks should know like you to go get their boats, or any other assets they people are holding... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. The guy said they'd put the stabilizer in the tank, but nothing else. If they push for it, I'll give them the $10 or whatever. No problem. -- John H |
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Okay, so here's what happened.
"Rob" wrote in message
... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy court plows through all the records. It can take months. I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida. I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place. The bank called a note on them and they were forced into Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at the yard. Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up behind him and entered as well. The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were "closed". By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my boat. He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had been frozen by the court. He ran into the building to call somebody. Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came out and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the van and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on. I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to fill up the tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again. Eisboch |
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Okay, so here's what happened.
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Rob" wrote in message m... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy court plows through all the records. It can take months. I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida. I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place. The bank called a note on them and they were forced into Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at the yard. Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up behind him and entered as well. The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were "closed". By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my boat. He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had been frozen by the court. He ran into the building to call somebody. Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came out and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the van and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on. I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to fill up the tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again. Eisboch Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is nine-tenths' bit. Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control. And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars, so don't stick my head in your door. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well. -- John H |
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Okay, so here's what happened.
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#7
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Okay, so here's what happened.
"John H" wrote in message news  Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is nine-tenths' bit. Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control. And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars, so don't stick my head in your door. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well. -- John H Doing well thanks. Stuck my head in here to see what's new. Seems to be a few more boating posts which is good but also still a lot of politicking and name calling. The music shop is consuming most of my time. It has grown more than I originally bargained for, but still is fun. Getting to meet a lot of interesting people. Actually sold a custom built guitar to a member of Bob Dylan's band. Actually the guitar is going to Dylan, but there were issues to get around. The band member is Donnie Herron, a multi-instrument player that has been with Dylan for about five years now, both in touring performances and recording sessions. He visited the shop, entertained us for a while (pros are in another league) and then tried one of the custom built guitars we have. He commented that "Bob would love this guitar". (It's a historic reproduction of a guitar built back around 1900). He left, but later that afternoon I got a telephone call. He said they were sending someone down from Boston to pick up the guitar and it would be on stage that night, which was the last night of Dylan's performance at the Wang Center. Pretty exciting day, both for me and the luthier who built the guitar. Take care and Happy "T" day to everyone. Eisboch |
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#8
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Okay, so here's what happened.
"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "Rob" wrote in message ... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy court plows through all the records. It can take months. I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida. I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place. The bank called a note on them and they were forced into Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at the yard. Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up behind him and entered as well. The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were "closed". By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my boat. He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had been frozen by the court. He ran into the building to call somebody. Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came out and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the van and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on. I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to fill up the tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again. Eisboch That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police showed up before you split? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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#9
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Okay, so here's what happened.
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police showed up before you split? -- Nom=de=Plume As directed by the police, had they shown. To do otherwise would be breaking the law. What I did wasn't, at least in my mind. Eisboch |
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Okay, so here's what happened.
"Gene" wrote in message
... On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message om... "Rob" wrote in message ... If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned to the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you are out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If they have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust. Rob - Been there, different circumstances. It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the assets and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the bankruptcy court plows through all the records. It can take months. I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida. I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place. The bank called a note on them and they were forced into Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at the yard. Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel gate that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a van pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up behind him and entered as well. The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were "closed". By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck around him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my boat. He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard had been frozen by the court. He ran into the building to call somebody. Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy came out and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to the van and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on. I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to fill up the tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the town and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again. Eisboch That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police showed up before you split? Nothing? So, you're a cop. What are you going to charge him with? Theft of his own property? Breaking? Nope. Entering? Nope, the gate was open. Trespassing? Nope.... he had a right to be there if he was paid up. These are civil, not criminal issues. The cops *really* don't want to deal with this. Google replevin and detinue. You'll have a much cheaper education in this than mine.... If the police show up, you better be able to prove it's your boat. If you can't immediately, they'll haul your butt in and sort it out there. You can call it civil if you want, but the facts on the ground will be your butt sitting in jail until someone shows up with the pink slip. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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