On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:48:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner.


Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.


No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not
cheap these days.

If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H


Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national
id card? That's quite a statement.

Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.

The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

Well, the pup says that the Republicans in Florida were the voter
fraud folks. So it would seem they'd be in favor of a national ID just
to stop the Republican voter fraud.

Something doesn't ring true here. Hopefully the pup will explain
hisheritself.
--

John H

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:48:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner.

Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.

No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not
cheap these days.
If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H

Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national
id card? That's quite a statement.
Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.
The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

Well, the pup says that the Republicans in Florida were the voter
fraud folks. So it would seem they'd be in favor of a national ID just
to stop the Republican voter fraud.

Something doesn't ring true here. Hopefully the pup will explain
hisheritself.
--

John H

No introduce name calling. Reminds me of someone else in the group.....

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:48:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport?
They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000
in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the
fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared
winner.


Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court,
loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was
the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating
in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and
supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush
squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much
worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.


No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H


Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various
healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a
national
id card? That's quite a statement.

Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.

The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

Well, the pup says that the Republicans in Florida were the voter
fraud folks. So it would seem they'd be in favor of a national ID just
to stop the Republican voter fraud.

Something doesn't ring true here. Hopefully the pup will explain
hisheritself.
--

John H


Something sure doesn't ring true. You don't sound like much of a Republican
or Libertarian to me:

http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/
Americans have rejected the idea of a national ID card. When the Social
Security Number (SSN) was created in 1936, it was meant to be used only as
an account number associated with the administration of the Social Security
system. Though use of the SSN has expanded considerably, it is not a
universal identifier and efforts to make it one have been consistently
rejected. In 1971, the Social Security Administration task force on the SSN
rejected the extension of the Social Security Number to the status of an ID
card. In 1973, the Health, Education and Welfare Secretary's Advisory
Committee on Automated Personal Data Systems concluded that a national
identifier was not desirable. In 1976, the Federal Advisory Committee on
False Identification rejected the idea of an identifier.

In 1977, the Carter Administration reiterated that the SSN was not to become
an identifier, and in 1981 the Reagan Administration stated that it was
"explicitly opposed" to the creation of a national ID card. The Clinton
administration advocated a "Health Security Card" in 1993 and assured the
public that the card, issued to every American, would have "full protection
for privacy and confidentiality." Still, the idea was rejected and the
health security card was never created. In 1999 Congress repealed a
controversial provision in the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant
Responsibility Act of 1996 which gave authorization to include Social
Security Numbers on driver's licenses.


--
Nom=de=Plume

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:44:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:48:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport?
They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000
in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the
fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared
winner.


Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court,
loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was
the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating
in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and
supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush
squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much
worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.


No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H


Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various
healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a
national
id card? That's quite a statement.

Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.

The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

Well, the pup says that the Republicans in Florida were the voter
fraud folks. So it would seem they'd be in favor of a national ID just
to stop the Republican voter fraud.

Something doesn't ring true here. Hopefully the pup will explain
hisheritself.
--

John H


Something sure doesn't ring true. You don't sound like much of a Republican
or Libertarian to me:

http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/
Americans have rejected the idea of a national ID card. When the Social
Security Number (SSN) was created in 1936, it was meant to be used only as
an account number associated with the administration of the Social Security
system. Though use of the SSN has expanded considerably, it is not a
universal identifier and efforts to make it one have been consistently
rejected. In 1971, the Social Security Administration task force on the SSN
rejected the extension of the Social Security Number to the status of an ID
card. In 1973, the Health, Education and Welfare Secretary's Advisory
Committee on Automated Personal Data Systems concluded that a national
identifier was not desirable. In 1976, the Federal Advisory Committee on
False Identification rejected the idea of an identifier.

In 1977, the Carter Administration reiterated that the SSN was not to become
an identifier, and in 1981 the Reagan Administration stated that it was
"explicitly opposed" to the creation of a national ID card. The Clinton
administration advocated a "Health Security Card" in 1993 and assured the
public that the card, issued to every American, would have "full protection
for privacy and confidentiality." Still, the idea was rejected and the
health security card was never created. In 1999 Congress repealed a
controversial provision in the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant
Responsibility Act of 1996 which gave authorization to include Social
Security Numbers on driver's licenses.

I've carried a 'national' ID card for decades, and have had a passport
for decades. I've lost none of my 'freedoms' of which I'm aware. I
paid for my passport, and I would expect others to do the same. If
'the poor' can't legitimately afford a passport, then one should be
provided them.

Of course, I'd expect them to show their ID, or passport, for voting,
healthcare, school registration, etc, etc.
--

John H

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
I've carried a 'national' ID card for decades, and have had a passport
for decades. I've lost none of my 'freedoms' of which I'm aware. I
paid for my passport, and I would expect others to do the same. If
'the poor' can't legitimately afford a passport, then one should be
provided them.

Of course, I'd expect them to show their ID, or passport, for voting,
healthcare, school registration, etc, etc.

I'm certainly not going to argue with this. Unfortunately many see it as a
freedom issue, and it'll likely never get very far.

--
Nom=de=Plume