On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:36:18 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:28:50 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Man cannot be trusted to interpret God. *You included.

Thank you. I don't demand your trust.

Nor should you trust yourself in such matters. You're human.

But he's sure not a dime store psychoanalyst.
I'm pretty confident Tim has a real good handle on who he is,
and who he should trust.

--Vic

Let's agree to not agree.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:36:18 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:28:50 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Man cannot be trusted to interpret God. You included.

Thank you. I don't demand your trust.

Nor should you trust yourself in such matters. You're human.

But he's sure not a dime store psychoanalyst.
I'm pretty confident Tim has a real good handle on who he is,
and who he should trust.

--Vic

Let's agree to not agree.


I think you serve a very useful function here, jps. For those of us that
may occasionally start to stray and question ourselves, you very clearly and
concisely redefine the standards of normalcy and becoming a nut case.

For that, I thank you.

Eisboch

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:44 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:36:18 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:28:50 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Man cannot be trusted to interpret God. You included.

Thank you. I don't demand your trust.

Nor should you trust yourself in such matters. You're human.

But he's sure not a dime store psychoanalyst.
I'm pretty confident Tim has a real good handle on who he is,
and who he should trust.

--Vic

Let's agree to not agree.


I think you serve a very useful function here, jps. For those of us that
may occasionally start to stray and question ourselves, you very clearly and
concisely redefine the standards of normalcy and becoming a nut case.

For that, I thank you.

Eisboch

I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:44 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:36:18 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:28:50 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Man cannot be trusted to interpret God. You included.

Thank you. I don't demand your trust.

Nor should you trust yourself in such matters. You're human.

But he's sure not a dime store psychoanalyst.
I'm pretty confident Tim has a real good handle on who he is,
and who he should trust.

--Vic

Let's agree to not agree.


I think you serve a very useful function here, jps. For those of us that
may occasionally start to stray and question ourselves, you very clearly
and
concisely redefine the standards of normalcy and becoming a nut case.

For that, I thank you.

Eisboch

I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry.

Don't flatter yourself.

Eisboch

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:10:52 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:44 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:36:18 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:28:50 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Man cannot be trusted to interpret God. You included.

Thank you. I don't demand your trust.

Nor should you trust yourself in such matters. You're human.

But he's sure not a dime store psychoanalyst.
I'm pretty confident Tim has a real good handle on who he is,
and who he should trust.

--Vic

Let's agree to not agree.


I think you serve a very useful function here, jps. For those of us that
may occasionally start to stray and question ourselves, you very clearly
and
concisely redefine the standards of normalcy and becoming a nut case.

For that, I thank you.

Eisboch

I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry.

Don't flatter yourself.

Eisboch

Wouldn't think of it.

"jps" wrote in message
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I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry.

Don't flatter yourself.

Eisboch

Wouldn't think of it.

Oh, but I think you would. And do.

Let me ask you a question. But first, let's establish the fact that I don't
care what you personally believe in or don't believe in in terms of your
personal views on religion.

But, are you open minded and intelligent enough to understand the concept of
religious faith? Can you, even though you may not subscribe to it, relate
to it or accept that others have a belief in something, someone or whatever
that is greater than themselves?

If you can, then 90% of what you say is BS and maybe your not as nutty as I
thought.

Eisboch

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:23:36 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry.

Don't flatter yourself.

Eisboch

Wouldn't think of it.

Oh, but I think you would. And do.

Let me ask you a question. But first, let's establish the fact that I don't
care what you personally believe in or don't believe in in terms of your
personal views on religion.

But, are you open minded and intelligent enough to understand the concept of
religious faith? Can you, even though you may not subscribe to it, relate
to it or accept that others have a belief in something, someone or whatever
that is greater than themselves?

If you can, then 90% of what you say is BS and maybe your not as nutty as I
thought.

Eisboch

Oh, I believe in things greater than myself.

Difference is that what I believe in isn't man made. It doesn't come
from a mystery man 2000 years or3500 years or 5700 years ago.

Look at what the kooky Judeo/Christian bible wants us to believe. Adam
and Eve? God making the heavens and earth and all the animals 10,000
years ago?

Look at the ignorance it spawns in our society? Kids who won't accept
evolution because the good book says otherwise? Peter at the pearly
gates? Virgin birth? Abraham was stoned on berries when he saw that
burning bush. All parables.

In American we waste energy arguing about evolution being taught in
school while the rest of the world kicks our asses by creating a high
tech workforce. Any wonder that it drives me to distraction?

I do believe in something greater than myself but it has to do with
the order of the universe and nature. Not man-made moogly boogly
based on the cosmic muffin or hairy thunderer.

Nor do I believe it's within man's capacity to fully understand, at
least not yet. The most likely path to understanding is through
science and not the kind prescribed by L Ron Hubbard.

String theory, quantum theory, elements yet to be defined in the
periodic table, studying stars and planetary systems -- is a far more
likely path to truly understanding our world, the universe and the
true nature of God.

I like to imagine humankind as connected like an Aspen Grove, through
a root system. The closer you are spritually and emotionally to a
person, the stronger the connection. I don't uinderstand how it works
nor do I need to acribe it to a "designer." It's just how it is and
maybe someday there'll be an explanation.

Whatever the true nature ends up being, It's unlikely to confirm the
suppositions of holy men who wrote parables thousands of years ago.