On Jun 22, 6:02*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.

What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? *There's lots of them.

Different organization.

nope.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.
What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? There's lots of them.
Different organization.

nope.


Yup.

On Jun 22, 5:40*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:28*am, "mmc" wrote:



"HK" wrote in message

...

* Southern Baptists look for cures to stagnation
'Great Commission Resurgence' » Leaders will present declaration at annual
meeting this week.

By Adelle M. Banks

Religion News Service

Salt Lake Tribune
02:56:55 PM MDT

Decades of painful conservative-moderate fights. Stagnant baptism rates.
Membership malaise. Surveying the state of the Southern Baptist
Convention, seminary president Danny Akin can sum it all up in six words:

"Business as usual is not working."

Seeking to turn things around for the nation's largest Protestant body,
Akin has teamed with SBC President Johnny Hunt to draft a "Great
Commission Resurgence" declaration that will be presented to the Baptists'
annual meeting June 23-24 in Louisville, Ky.

The goal is to find a new way forward after several high-profile campaigns
to boost the number of baptisms -- a key measure of vitality and an
article of faith for Baptists -- fell flat.

Hunt told one Baptist newspaper that the SBC is like a ship that is
"adrift" and needs to consider ridding itself of unnecessary "cargo."

For the Rev. Micah Fries, a 30-year-old pastor of a Southern Baptist
church in St. Joseph, Mo., such analogies are appropriate for a
denomination that has grown in size and bureaucracy in its more than 150
years of history.

"We need to lose some excessive baggage," he said, noting a worrisome $30
million shortfall in an international missions offering that will reduce
the number of missionaries deployed oversees.

Reduce the number of missionaries? When I met a family of SB missionaries in
post war Croatia, my first thought was "just what these people (Croats)
need- another f-ing religion"
When I met SB missionaries in Al Hilla, Iraq in 2003, the first thing that
hit was that we'd end up finding them in the desert without thier heads..
Don't know if they were intact when they left, but going door to door and
telling Muslims they got it all wrong doesn't seem like something to put on
the 'ol life insurance form.

Mike, The missionaries don't go "door-to-door" to the muslims. Usually
the Muslims come to them. and the misionaries don't normally lose
their heads.

they get shot.

http://www.christianaction.org.za/ar...REE_MISSIONARY...

oddly enough. the missionaries treated a young man about two weeks
earlier, and this is how he responded to the missionaries and their
clinic.

But then again. they don't always get shot. sometimes they and their
familie's get burnt alive.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Staines

On Jun 22, 6:06*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.
What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? *There's lots of them.
Different organization.

nope.

Yup.

Nope.

and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist
"Missionary" Hospital?

Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.
What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? There's lots of them.
Different organization.
nope.
Yup.

Nope.

and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist
"Missionary" Hospital?


Proselytizing.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.

What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? There's lots of them.

Harry's OK with black folks. He just doesn't like white folks very much.
Pretty strange huh?

On Jun 22, 6:23*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.
What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? *There's lots of them.
Different organization.
nope.
Yup.

Nope.

and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist
"Missionary" Hospital?

Proselytizing.

"Proselytizing.?"

Surely you can do better than that, Harry.

I'd say it never occurred to you that the Christian (Catholic and
Protestant) Churches main mission is to do the will of Jesus.

James 2:14 Dear brothers, what's the use of saying that you have
faith and are Christians if you aren't proving it by helping others?
Will that kind of faith save anyone?

James 2:15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and
clothing, and you say to him, "Well, good-bye and God bless you;
stay warm and eat hearty," and then don't give him clothes or food,
what good does that do?

James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. You must
also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn't show itself
by good works is no faith at all--it is dead and useless.

James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that "believing" is useless
without doing what God wants you to? Faith that does not result in
good deeds is not real faith.


Just a few of the references Harry. But I don't expect you to believe
any of it. It's not your nature.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:23 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.
What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? There's lots of them.
Different organization.
nope.
Yup.
Nope.
and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist
"Missionary" Hospital?
Proselytizing.

"Proselytizing.?"

Surely you can do better than that, Harry.

I'd say it never occurred to you that the Christian (Catholic and
Protestant) Churches main mission is to do the will of Jesus.

James 2:14 Dear brothers, what's the use of saying that you have
faith and are Christians if you aren't proving it by helping others?
Will that kind of faith save anyone?

James 2:15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and
clothing, and you say to him, "Well, good-bye and God bless you;
stay warm and eat hearty," and then don't give him clothes or food,
what good does that do?

James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. You must
also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn't show itself
by good works is no faith at all--it is dead and useless.

James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that "believing" is useless
without doing what God wants you to? Faith that does not result in
good deeds is not real faith.


Just a few of the references Harry. But I don't expect you to believe
any of it. It's not your nature.




As I stated, the main purpose of the missions of the southern baptists
is to proselytize.

On Jun 22, 6:56*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:





On Jun 22, 8:28*am, "mmc" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...

* Southern Baptists look for cures to stagnation
'Great Commission Resurgence' » Leaders will present declaration at annual
meeting this week.

By Adelle M. Banks

Religion News Service

Salt Lake Tribune
02:56:55 PM MDT

Decades of painful conservative-moderate fights. Stagnant baptism rates.
Membership malaise. Surveying the state of the Southern Baptist
Convention, seminary president Danny Akin can sum it all up in six words:

"Business as usual is not working."

Seeking to turn things around for the nation's largest Protestant body,
Akin has teamed with SBC President Johnny Hunt to draft a "Great
Commission Resurgence" declaration that will be presented to the Baptists'
annual meeting June 23-24 in Louisville, Ky.

The goal is to find a new way forward after several high-profile campaigns
to boost the number of baptisms -- a key measure of vitality and an
article of faith for Baptists -- fell flat.

Hunt told one Baptist newspaper that the SBC is like a ship that is
"adrift" and needs to consider ridding itself of unnecessary "cargo."

For the Rev. Micah Fries, a 30-year-old pastor of a Southern Baptist
church in St. Joseph, Mo., such analogies are appropriate for a
denomination that has grown in size and bureaucracy in its more than 150
years of history.

"We need to lose some excessive baggage," he said, noting a worrisome $30
million shortfall in an international missions offering that will reduce
the number of missionaries deployed oversees.

Reduce the number of missionaries? When I met a family of SB missionaries in
post war Croatia, my first thought was "just what these people (Croats)
need- another f-ing religion"
When I met SB missionaries in Al Hilla, Iraq in 2003, the first thing that
hit was that we'd end up finding them in the desert without thier heads.
Don't know if they were intact when they left, but going door to door and
telling Muslims they got it all wrong doesn't seem like something to put on
the 'ol life insurance form.

Mike, The missionaries don't go "door-to-door" to the muslims. Usually
the Muslims come to them. and the misionaries don't normally lose
their heads.

they get shot.

http://www.christianaction.org.za/ar...REE_MISSIONARY...

oddly enough. the missionaries treated a young man about two weeks
earlier, and this is how he responded to the missionaries and their
clinic.

Yes, free food and medical attention do wonders to ingratiate
followers to a sect. *bin Laden uses the same tactics. *We'd have won
the war several years ago if we'd have taken over Afghanistan with
food, medicine and books.

Unfortunately, that's not the business of the US. *We're in the arms
business.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, that post pretty much proves you are not paying attention, or
making it up as you go along. Both of which are about equally
presumable in your case...

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:38:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 6:23*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.
What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? *There's lots of them.
Different organization.
nope.
Yup.

Nope.

and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist
"Missionary" Hospital?

Proselytizing.

"Proselytizing.?"

Surely you can do better than that, Harry.

I'd say it never occurred to you that the Christian (Catholic and
Protestant) Churches main mission is to do the will of Jesus.

James 2:14 Dear brothers, what's the use of saying that you have
faith and are Christians if you aren't proving it by helping others?
Will that kind of faith save anyone?

James 2:15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and
clothing, and you say to him, "Well, good-bye and God bless you;
stay warm and eat hearty," and then don't give him clothes or food,
what good does that do?

James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. You must
also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn't show itself
by good works is no faith at all--it is dead and useless.

James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that "believing" is useless
without doing what God wants you to? Faith that does not result in
good deeds is not real faith.


Just a few of the references Harry. But I don't expect you to believe
any of it. It's not your nature.


WTF do any of the above quotes have to do with missionary work or
proselytizing on behalf of Christianity?

It's an endeavor that seeks to enrich the organization more than
spreading Jesus' teachings. You're supposed to live and be guided by
his spirit, not try to sell his way.

Anyone who has a beef with unions trying to enrich their organizations
should have a major problem with missionaries.

Bunch of whoey.

My favorite is the missionaries who hunted aboriginals with the aim of
converting them just before putting them to death in order to send
them onto Jesus.

****ing insanity that continues today in a somewhat benign manner.