Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:

To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."

Well, screw that.


Odd that you would say that Harry. but to you yes, I'm sure it's more
comfortable for you to contain those feelings.

But I consider myself to be an "evangelical" christian and I don't
feel any insecurities concerning my religious beliefs, not do I feel
threatened by anyone for any reason.


Maybe I'm an exception to the rule?


Maybe you aren't looking deep enough.

Why do "evangelicals" find it necessary to *push* their beliefs onto
others?

On Jun 24, 7:00*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote:

What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern
baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs,
and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally.

Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some
for the not so good.

Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx.

There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society
should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a
country with no state or official religion. I expect religious
oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here.

Don't worry Harry, It won't happen.

On Jun 24, 6:51*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 5:49 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 12:40 am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 23, 6:27 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:50 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 23, 3:39 pm, jps wrote:
You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.
I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.
I have.
Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.
This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides
medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.
It's a very simple exchange that works very well.
bin Laden is a missionary.
You're welcome to feel that way if you wish.
His followers do. *I know the score, do you?
Which score?
The one between those who have nothing and those who offer them
something. *It's done to create an account which may be paid with
subservience to a cause.
That's the score.
a statement is a score?
It certainly can be.

Ezra 8:26

"I even weighed unto their hand six hundred and fifty talents of silver,
and silver vessels an hundred talents, and of gold an hundred talents."

I don't;' think that my family and the native mountain people of
Panama have weighed each other.

Whatever. A "talent" as a unit of precious metal measure was pretty
hefty, by the way.

I understand that, Harry. I still don't think they've weighed each
other, though.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:00 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote:
What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern
baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs,
and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally.
Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some
for the not so good.
Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx.
There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society
should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a
country with no state or official religion. I expect religious
oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here.

Don't worry Harry, It won't happen.


Really? It *does* happen here. Remember Idiot President's restrictions
on federal funding of stem cell research?

Religious oppression.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.


hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work.

And he's gone for a month?

Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years.


About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients,
and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense.

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:06:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 24, 7:00*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote:

What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern
baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs,
and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally.

Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some
for the not so good.

Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx.

There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society
should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a
country with no state or official religion. I expect religious
oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here.

Don't worry Harry, It won't happen.

Tim, this would be appropriate behavior in Harry's eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0
--

John H

On Jun 24, 7:10*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.

On Jun 24, 7:08*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:00 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote:
What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern
baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs,
and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally.
Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some
for the not so good.
Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx.
There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society
should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a
country with no state or official religion. I expect religious
oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here.

Don't worry Harry, It won't happen.

Really? It *does* happen here. Remember Idiot President's restrictions
on federal funding of stem cell research?

Religious oppression.

Nope. But now that you mentioned it, where were those stem cells
supposedly coming from?

Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:08 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:00 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote:
What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern
baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs,
and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally.
Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some
for the not so good.
Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx.
There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society
should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a
country with no state or official religion. I expect religious
oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here.
Don't worry Harry, It won't happen.
Really? It *does* happen here. Remember Idiot President's restrictions
on federal funding of stem cell research?

Religious oppression.

Nope. But now that you mentioned it, where were those stem cells
supposedly coming from?


I dunno, and I don't care. Not relevant.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.
hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work.
And he's gone for a month?
Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years.
About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients,
and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense.

20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips.

One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis
of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion"
experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more
humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to
acknowledge.

I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work
for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process
going on.




Tim, I simply do not agree with this statement of yours:

"Nobody is forced to do anything."


But I do not for a moment doubt your sincerity or the sincerity of your
beliefs.