On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 23, 7:43*am, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains..
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law *who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course *they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture.

"Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
*unsophisticated native populations."

Thats transparently obious. Harry.

" I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture."

Yeah, look at what they're culture has had to offer them.

They have the option of not receiving the free dental work or medical
care. Everything comes with strings attached. There is no free lunch.

They also have the option of taking advantage of the health care *with
no evangelicalism. no one forces anything on anyone.

You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote:


You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

Yes, I'm sure it does. Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.

This is the same way bin Laden works. He builds schools, provides
medical care and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.

It's a very simple exchange that works very well.

bin Laden is a missionary.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 3:39 pm, jps wrote:


You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

Yes, I'm sure it does. Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.

This is the same way bin Laden works. He builds schools, provides
medical care and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.



Gee .... So does Barack Obama.

Eisboch

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:54:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 3:39 pm, jps wrote:


You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

Yes, I'm sure it does. Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.

This is the same way bin Laden works. He builds schools, provides
medical care and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.



Gee .... So does Barack Obama.

Eisboch

He's not a missionary Richard. He's an elected leader.

We pay part of our earnings to the government so they can provide
safety, services and infrastructure.

How can you possibly interpret that as Obama being a missionary?

Are you that blinded by partisanship? Wrong thread.

On Jun 23, 5:50*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote:
You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.

This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides
medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.

It's a very simple exchange that works very well.

bin Laden is a missionary.

You're welcome to feel that way if you wish.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 5:50*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote:
You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.

This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides
medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.

It's a very simple exchange that works very well.

bin Laden is a missionary.

You're welcome to feel that way if you wish.

His followers do. I know the score, do you?

On Jun 23, 6:27*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 23, 5:50*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote:
You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.

This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides
medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.

It's a very simple exchange that works very well.

bin Laden is a missionary.

You're welcome to feel that way if you wish.

His followers do. *I know the score, do you?

Which score?

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 6:27*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 23, 5:50*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote:
You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.

This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides
medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.

It's a very simple exchange that works very well.

bin Laden is a missionary.

You're welcome to feel that way if you wish.

His followers do. *I know the score, do you?

Which score?

The one between those who have nothing and those who offer them
something. It's done to create an account which may be paid with
subservience to a cause.

That's the score.

On Jun 24, 12:40*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 23, 6:27*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 5:50*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote:
You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.

I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what..
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.

I have.

Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.

This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides
medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.

It's a very simple exchange that works very well.

bin Laden is a missionary.

You're welcome to feel that way if you wish.

His followers do. *I know the score, do you?

Which score?

The one between those who have nothing and those who offer them
something. *It's done to create an account which may be paid with
subservience to a cause.

That's the score.

a statement is a score?

Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 6:27 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 23, 5:50 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 23, 3:39 pm, jps wrote:
You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.
I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.
Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself.
I have.
Yes, I'm sure it does. Their mission works by creating a moral
dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention.
This is the same way bin Laden works. He builds schools, provides
medical care and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to
his cause.
It's a very simple exchange that works very well.
bin Laden is a missionary.
You're welcome to feel that way if you wish.
His followers do. I know the score, do you?

Which score?


He's an idiot...but you already knew that.