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On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:12:10 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


This morning I tried to install the free AVG program. Windows on the
new computer was unable to install it because it doesn't recognize
".php" files. I suppose I can find the software to do it, but I think
I'll just buy the "Pro" version and be done with it.

You have to go back to that index.php url and download what it points
to. PHP is a scripting language used for dynamic content. It is not the
program itself.


Oh. Thanks.

I thought it had something to do with hemorrhoids. :-)

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
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Eisboch,
There is a good chance that "Norton" screen is actually a Trojan that
is sending you to a "Norton Phishing" site (and not a real Norton
site) so you will provide them with your credit card info. I had a
neighbor who picked up that virus and it was a bitch to get rid of.
You had to delete the start up line, manually delete the file it
referenced, and then reboot in safe mode to completely remove it.

You might be able to remove it using AVG but it does sound to me like
you have picked up a Trojan.

Anything is possible, but I doubt it. It's a brand new computer and
the Norton screen came up during the initial start up and program
loading of the computer. This was 4 days before it was ever connected
to the Internet.

It first came up with the initial start up after loading Windows, etc.
(as it should). I clicked on the "close without installing" because I
didn't want to install Norton. It still pops up whenever I do a cold
reboot, and I continue to click "close without installing".

This morning I tried to install the free AVG program. Windows on the
new computer was unable to install it because it doesn't recognize
".php" files. I suppose I can find the software to do it, but I think
I'll just buy the "Pro" version and be done with it.

Eisboch



Two words:

Zone Alarm...
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Eisboch wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
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Eisboch,
There is a good chance that "Norton" screen is actually a Trojan that
is sending you to a "Norton Phishing" site (and not a real Norton
site) so you will provide them with your credit card info. I had a
neighbor who picked up that virus and it was a bitch to get rid of.
You had to delete the start up line, manually delete the file it
referenced, and then reboot in safe mode to completely remove it.

You might be able to remove it using AVG but it does sound to me like
you have picked up a Trojan.

Anything is possible, but I doubt it. It's a brand new computer and
the Norton screen came up during the initial start up and program
loading of the computer. This was 4 days before it was ever connected
to the Internet.

It first came up with the initial start up after loading Windows, etc.
(as it should). I clicked on the "close without installing" because I
didn't want to install Norton. It still pops up whenever I do a cold
reboot, and I continue to click "close without installing".

This morning I tried to install the free AVG program. Windows on the
new computer was unable to install it because it doesn't recognize
".php" files. I suppose I can find the software to do it, but I think
I'll just buy the "Pro" version and be done with it.

Eisboch




Considering the known removal problems with Norton, Reggie's suggestion
borders on the insane.

You downloaded the wrong file from AVG...it's an *.exe file.

Go he

http://free.avg.com/download-avg-ant...s-free-edition


Look at the bottom of the left hand column that describes features.

Click on that button that sez download...it'll go to another download
screen. Click on the "download now" button for the freebie.

If you get into a VISTA jam, call me.

"Boater" wrote in message
...

You downloaded the wrong file from AVG...it's an *.exe file.

Go he

http://free.avg.com/download-avg-ant...s-free-edition


Look at the bottom of the left hand column that describes features.

Click on that button that sez download...it'll go to another download
screen. Click on the "download now" button for the freebie.

If you get into a VISTA jam, call me.


Ah! I found the right one. Actually I initially did exactly as you
described, but when I clicked on the "download now" freebie button, it
downloaded a file called "index.php". In fact, I just did it again and it
tried to load the .php file again. But, then I clicked on the
"Installation Files" tab on the page and found the .exe download. Got it
and will install it in a bit.

Thanks.

Eisboch

On Jan 1, 10:43*am, wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:35*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."





wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:20:40 -0800 (PST), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Dec 30, 5:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

news:37udnXRVFdcOP8fUnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganew s.com...

You should've just called Harry he can fix anything.
Anybody should. *Heck, I am far from a computer expert, but I
successfully
installed and setup a wireless home network system for my son at his
Beachouse. *All you have to do is carefully follow the instructions.

Our system was dependent on Comcast. * *That* was the problem.

Eisboch
I've got Comcast, and I set up my own wireless network without a
glitch.

Legitimizes the do-it-yourself notion......

I have a feeling the "cable modem" Eisboch was issued, and not the
router, or router side, was at fault here. There really isn't much to
setting up a router if you are not assigning IP addresses to the
devices on your home network.

I don't know much about these things but the one they replaced (that had
been working fine until the Comcast dude remotely did something to it)
was one unit. *It was a modem/wireless router in one package.

The wireless router I installed myself at my kid's house was a separate
unit from the modem.
I simply connected it to the Comcast provided modem and followed the
directions on the disk that came with the router. *It was duck soup.. *
Set up a secure network and all works fine.

Maybe I should apply for a part time job at Comcast, huh?

The guys that finally showed up at the house knew their stuff though. *
They setup some cool stuff for us that the average do-it-yourselfer like
me would never know you could do.

Meanwhile, I've downloaded AVG but have not installed it yet. *I read up
on it a bit and it was recommended that you make sure you are current
with all Windows updates for Vista, which I did. *There were quite a few
updates that had to be downloaded and installed.

Before I install AVG, I want to get rid of Norton. * Whenever I boot up
the computer I get a screen asking me if I want to install it, which I
refuse every time. * I want to figure out how to get rid of that before
installing AVG, just to make damn sure there isn't some conflict going on.

Eisboch

Eisboch,
There is a good chance that "Norton" screen is actually a Trojan that is
sending you to a "Norton Phishing" site (and not a real Norton site) *so
you will provide them with your credit card info. *I had a neighbor who
picked up that virus and it was a bitch to get rid of. *You had to
delete the start up line, manually delete the file it referenced, and
then reboot in safe mode to completely remove it.

You might be able to remove it using AVG but it does sound to me like
you have picked up a Trojan.- Hide quoted text -

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Interesting theory, but Norton is a sleazy op that does everything it
can to keep from being removed.. McAffe btw as I noted before is a dog
of a system that drains your resources nearly as much as AOL...
Dick, try Zone Alarm like I said before...- Hide quoted text -

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Norton is the AOL of virus protection.

On Jan 1, 10:46*am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:18:57 -0500, Boater penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:





Tom Francis wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:49:13 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
news:BfqdndLU19LWgMHUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews. com...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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You might want to try the Norton removal tool from Symantec:

http://tinyurl.com/7v555b

I haven't used it recently but in the past it was effective in removing
their bloat-ware

I assumed that you have the 2008 version, if not there are tools on the
Symantec site for other versions.

Make sure you have the FREE version of AVG. *Sometimes it's hard to
locate the free version URL.

Thanks. *I read it. *Not sure I am ready to try it, but I bookmarked it.
I am pretty sure I found the free version of AVG. *There was a leading
advertisement to
get the full up version for free also, but I read it carefully and
discovered it was one of those
"free to try" deals. * The version I downloaded from:

http://www.download.com/AVG-Anti-Virus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10320...

is the basic, "free" file. *Hold on ..... it's file name is: *"index.php"
Haven't installed it yet though. *Been reading that there have been some
problems getting it to install. * Need to research it a bit more.

Eisboch
I've installed free AVG on three Vista PCs with no problems. *I think you
know to remove Norton before the AVG install.

Well, that's where I am hung up. * I haven't actually installed Norton on
the new computer, but I haven't completely removed it either. * It still
asks to be installed every time I reboot. * I figured I'd try to learn how
to completely remove it from the computer before installing AVG. * Your link
provided good information, but it's obviously not as simple as doing a
Windows "Remove Program".

I hate doing stuff like this. *Every time I try to do something more
involved than a simple install or uninstall, I screw up the computer and I
am up all night trying to fix it.

You need to use a more mystical approach - be one with the program and
one with the computer.

OOOOMMMMMMMM.......

Oh - I forgot to define mystical approach.

Take it to your local geek store and have them do it for you which is
what I did with the last new computer I bought - took it to the local
nerd shop, said remove the bloatware - two hours and $50 later, presto
- gone.

OOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM......

Another pain in the ass security suite is McAfee's. I don't use it, but
it now comes as a "free trial" download for HP Windoze Home Servers.
Some users have had a lot of trouble with it, so I didn't install the
freebie. I use something else on my server.

I think McAfee's is the single worst software I have ever had the
misfortune to load on a computer.

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed
by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did
do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the
safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover."
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I went for years and years not liking Mcafee. But Comcast offers it
with their internet service, I loaded on my desktop and couldn't be
happier with it, things have changed.

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:16:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:



Norton is the AOL of virus protection.

Funny how when Norton sold his name it all went to crap.
Peter Norton was a great boon to early PC adopters, and I
used his utilities all the time. He was a hell of a gearhead.
Though I still have many of the utilities on a HD, I haven't looked at
them in years, since I went NTFS.
The only thing I use with his name on it now is Ghost, which is really
a Symantec product. 2003 version booted from floppy.
Works every time. Maybe he had a hand in it.

--Vic

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:17:11 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 1, 10:46*am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:18:57 -0500, Boater penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:





Tom Francis wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:49:13 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
news:BfqdndLU19LWgMHUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews. com...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:lpSdnYKfb4TElsHUnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews .com...
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

You might want to try the Norton removal tool from Symantec:

http://tinyurl.com/7v555b

I haven't used it recently but in the past it was effective in removing
their bloat-ware

I assumed that you have the 2008 version, if not there are tools on the
Symantec site for other versions.

Make sure you have the FREE version of AVG. *Sometimes it's hard to
locate the free version URL.

Thanks. *I read it. *Not sure I am ready to try it, but I bookmarked it.
I am pretty sure I found the free version of AVG. *There was a leading
advertisement to
get the full up version for free also, but I read it carefully and
discovered it was one of those
"free to try" deals. * The version I downloaded from:

http://www.download.com/AVG-Anti-Virus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10320...

is the basic, "free" file. *Hold on ..... it's file name is: *"index.php"
Haven't installed it yet though. *Been reading that there have been some
problems getting it to install. * Need to research it a bit more.

Eisboch
I've installed free AVG on three Vista PCs with no problems. *I think you
know to remove Norton before the AVG install.

Well, that's where I am hung up. * I haven't actually installed Norton on
the new computer, but I haven't completely removed it either. * It still
asks to be installed every time I reboot. * I figured I'd try to learn how
to completely remove it from the computer before installing AVG. * Your link
provided good information, but it's obviously not as simple as doing a
Windows "Remove Program".

I hate doing stuff like this. *Every time I try to do something more
involved than a simple install or uninstall, I screw up the computer and I
am up all night trying to fix it.

You need to use a more mystical approach - be one with the program and
one with the computer.

OOOOMMMMMMMM.......

Oh - I forgot to define mystical approach.

Take it to your local geek store and have them do it for you which is
what I did with the last new computer I bought - took it to the local
nerd shop, said remove the bloatware - two hours and $50 later, presto
- gone.

OOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM......

Another pain in the ass security suite is McAfee's. I don't use it, but
it now comes as a "free trial" download for HP Windoze Home Servers.
Some users have had a lot of trouble with it, so I didn't install the
freebie. I use something else on my server.

I think McAfee's is the single worst software I have ever had the
misfortune to load on a computer.

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed
by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did
do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the
safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover."
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I went for years and years not liking Mcafee. But Comcast offers it
with their internet service, I loaded on my desktop and couldn't be
happier with it, things have changed.

Cox does the same here. They worry about keeping it updated and paying for
it. It comes 'free' with the internet, and I've noticed nothing bad about
it. It seems that the machine is running faster than it was when I had my
own version loaded.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Boater wrote:
D K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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Ahhhhh...You've found one of the many Norton aggravators. Really.
There are pages and pages of URLs that lead to ways to resolve
problems incurred in complete removal of Norton from a computer. I
kid you not.

I stopped using Norton some years ago because I could not get it to
update certain modules no matter what, and neither could the "tech
support" guys in Bombay.

Good luck!


Yup. That's what I've read about Norton and attempts to remove it
completely. I tried to delete it from my XP machine, but parts of it
are still there, including the window asking me if I want to install
it every time it boots. I was told by someone with more computer
smarts than I that I'd be better off just to continue refusing it's
installation prompt, which I've been doing on that computer for about
4 years now.
I suppose I could just get in the habit of doing the same thing with
this new Vista machine.

Eisboch


Try this:

Open the "Run" command.

Type "prefetch".

It will open a window with several files - delete them all (really).

At a minimum it should help your start up time if it doesn't fix the
problem.


http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000743.html
There are a lot of articles about prefetch. The first one I came across
says not to delete it.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

This came from my IT guy. If you Google "prefetch files" you will not
see that article come up first.

You are a compulsive liar, WAFA. I thought I was in your Bozo's bin?
What happened there, fat boy?

Boater wrote:
Boater wrote:
D K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...

Ahhhhh...You've found one of the many Norton aggravators. Really.
There are pages and pages of URLs that lead to ways to resolve
problems incurred in complete removal of Norton from a computer. I
kid you not.

I stopped using Norton some years ago because I could not get it to
update certain modules no matter what, and neither could the "tech
support" guys in Bombay.

Good luck!


Yup. That's what I've read about Norton and attempts to remove it
completely. I tried to delete it from my XP machine, but parts of
it are still there, including the window asking me if I want to
install it every time it boots. I was told by someone with more
computer smarts than I that I'd be better off just to continue
refusing it's installation prompt, which I've been doing on that
computer for about 4 years now.
I suppose I could just get in the habit of doing the same thing with
this new Vista machine.

Eisboch


Try this:

Open the "Run" command.

Type "prefetch".

It will open a window with several files - delete them all (really).

At a minimum it should help your start up time if it doesn't fix the
problem.


http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000743.html
There are a lot of articles about prefetch. The first one I came
across says not to delete it.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


I see Reggie or one of the other assholes has "swiped" my "boater" id
here. Schittheads-uber-alles.

Sure. And you were on the case a mere 26 minutes later. WAFA.