"Boater" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:20:40 -0800 (PST), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Dec 30, 5:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

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You should've just called Harry he can fix anything.
Anybody should. Heck, I am far from a computer expert, but I
successfully
installed and setup a wireless home network system for my son at his
Beachouse. All you have to do is carefully follow the instructions.

Our system was dependent on Comcast. *That* was the problem.

Eisboch
I've got Comcast, and I set up my own wireless network without a
glitch.

Legitimizes the do-it-yourself notion......



I have a feeling the "cable modem" Eisboch was issued, and not the router,
or router side, was at fault here. There really isn't much to setting up a
router if you are not assigning IP addresses to the devices on your home
network.

I don't know much about these things but the one they replaced (that had
been working fine until the Comcast dude remotely did something to it) was
one unit. It was a modem/wireless router in one package.

The wireless router I installed myself at my kid's house was a separate unit
from the modem.
I simply connected it to the Comcast provided modem and followed the
directions on the disk that came with the router. It was duck soup. Set up
a secure network and all works fine.

Maybe I should apply for a part time job at Comcast, huh?

The guys that finally showed up at the house knew their stuff though. They
setup some cool stuff for us that the average do-it-yourselfer like me would
never know you could do.

Meanwhile, I've downloaded AVG but have not installed it yet. I read up on
it a bit and it was recommended that you make sure you are current with all
Windows updates for Vista, which I did. There were quite a few updates that
had to be downloaded and installed.

Before I install AVG, I want to get rid of Norton. Whenever I boot up the
computer I get a screen asking me if I want to install it, which I refuse
every time. I want to figure out how to get rid of that before installing
AVG, just to make damn sure there isn't some conflict going on.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:20:40 -0800 (PST), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Dec 30, 5:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

...



You should've just called Harry he can fix anything.
Anybody should. Heck, I am far from a computer expert, but I
successfully
installed and setup a wireless home network system for my son at his
Beachouse. All you have to do is carefully follow the instructions.

Our system was dependent on Comcast. *That* was the problem.

Eisboch
I've got Comcast, and I set up my own wireless network without a
glitch.

Legitimizes the do-it-yourself notion......



I have a feeling the "cable modem" Eisboch was issued, and not the
router, or router side, was at fault here. There really isn't much to
setting up a router if you are not assigning IP addresses to the
devices on your home network.

I don't know much about these things but the one they replaced (that had
been working fine until the Comcast dude remotely did something to it)
was one unit. It was a modem/wireless router in one package.

The wireless router I installed myself at my kid's house was a separate
unit from the modem.
I simply connected it to the Comcast provided modem and followed the
directions on the disk that came with the router. It was duck soup.
Set up a secure network and all works fine.

Maybe I should apply for a part time job at Comcast, huh?

The guys that finally showed up at the house knew their stuff though.
They setup some cool stuff for us that the average do-it-yourselfer like
me would never know you could do.

Meanwhile, I've downloaded AVG but have not installed it yet. I read up
on it a bit and it was recommended that you make sure you are current
with all Windows updates for Vista, which I did. There were quite a few
updates that had to be downloaded and installed.

Before I install AVG, I want to get rid of Norton. Whenever I boot up
the computer I get a screen asking me if I want to install it, which I
refuse every time. I want to figure out how to get rid of that before
installing AVG, just to make damn sure there isn't some conflict going on.

Eisboch



Ahhhhh...You've found one of the many Norton aggravators. Really. There
are pages and pages of URLs that lead to ways to resolve problems
incurred in complete removal of Norton from a computer. I kid you not.

I stopped using Norton some years ago because I could not get it to
update certain modules no matter what, and neither could the "tech
support" guys in Bombay.

Good luck!

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Boater" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:20:40 -0800 (PST), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Dec 30, 5:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

...



You should've just called Harry he can fix anything.
Anybody should. Heck, I am far from a computer expert, but I
successfully
installed and setup a wireless home network system for my son at his
Beachouse. All you have to do is carefully follow the instructions.

Our system was dependent on Comcast. *That* was the problem.

Eisboch
I've got Comcast, and I set up my own wireless network without a
glitch.

Legitimizes the do-it-yourself notion......



I have a feeling the "cable modem" Eisboch was issued, and not the
router, or router side, was at fault here. There really isn't much to
setting up a router if you are not assigning IP addresses to the devices
on your home network.

I don't know much about these things but the one they replaced (that had
been working fine until the Comcast dude remotely did something to it) was
one unit. It was a modem/wireless router in one package.

The wireless router I installed myself at my kid's house was a separate
unit from the modem.
I simply connected it to the Comcast provided modem and followed the
directions on the disk that came with the router. It was duck soup. Set
up a secure network and all works fine.

Maybe I should apply for a part time job at Comcast, huh?

The guys that finally showed up at the house knew their stuff though.
They setup some cool stuff for us that the average do-it-yourselfer like
me would never know you could do.

Meanwhile, I've downloaded AVG but have not installed it yet. I read up
on it a bit and it was recommended that you make sure you are current with
all Windows updates for Vista, which I did. There were quite a few
updates that had to be downloaded and installed.

Before I install AVG, I want to get rid of Norton. Whenever I boot up
the computer I get a screen asking me if I want to install it, which I
refuse every time. I want to figure out how to get rid of that before
installing AVG, just to make damn sure there isn't some conflict going on.

Eisboch


You might want to try the Norton removal tool from Symantec:

http://tinyurl.com/7v555b

I haven't used it recently but in the past it was effective in removing
their bloat-ware

I assumed that you have the 2008 version, if not there are tools on the
Symantec site for other versions.

Make sure you have the FREE version of AVG. Sometimes it's hard to locate
the free version URL.

wrote in message
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Norton has been a dog for a decade and it does not want to be taken
out as you have seen. McAffe is another dog that will slow your system
by at least 20%.. Everyone has a favorite but we at IDesigns and at
home have been using Zone Alarm interntet protection suite for over a
decade... When kept up it does a great job without taking over your
whole system, easy interface, very user friendly especially if you
start in "learn" mode which helps you get it up and running based on
your use... Just my opinion, it's well worth the money. I think a 4
licence pack costs us about 70 bucks a year...

===============================

I used to have Zone Alarm in one of the computers I had several years ago.
At first it seemed to work fine but over time I started having problems with
the computer bogging down and not allowing certain events to happen even
though I "permitted" them or simply taking forever for them to happen. In
my attempts to fix the problem, I disabled Zone Alarm and the computer went
back to normal.

That was years ago and maybe it was an early version or the problem was
unique to that particular computer. But, you know, Norton has sort of the
same history. I remember having it on some early computers and it was fine.
Didn't seem to bother or affect the computer's operations or speed.
But, over the years I've noticed that Norton seems to have grown to the
point where it seems to cause more problems than it prevents. I recall a
computer Mrs.E. had a few years ago. It was slowly bogging down to the
point where it would barely run. I am no computer guru, but she asked me
to look at it and I tried all the very basic maintenance things like defrag
and disk clean up. Nothing helped. Then I noticed that Norton was there
doing all kinds of stuff, so I disabled it and rebooted the computer leaving
Norton disabled. The computer ran fine again.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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You might want to try the Norton removal tool from Symantec:

http://tinyurl.com/7v555b

I haven't used it recently but in the past it was effective in removing
their bloat-ware

I assumed that you have the 2008 version, if not there are tools on the
Symantec site for other versions.

Make sure you have the FREE version of AVG. Sometimes it's hard to
locate the free version URL.



Thanks. I read it. Not sure I am ready to try it, but I bookmarked it.
I am pretty sure I found the free version of AVG. There was a leading
advertisement to
get the full up version for free also, but I read it carefully and
discovered it was one of those
"free to try" deals. The version I downloaded from:

http://www.download.com/AVG-Anti-Virus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10320142.htmlwas

is the basic, "free" file. Hold on ..... it's file name is: "index.php"
Haven't installed it yet though. Been reading that there have been some
problems getting it to install. Need to research it a bit more.

Eisboch

I've installed free AVG on three Vista PCs with no problems. I think you
know to remove Norton before the AVG install.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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You might want to try the Norton removal tool from Symantec:

http://tinyurl.com/7v555b

I haven't used it recently but in the past it was effective in removing
their bloat-ware

I assumed that you have the 2008 version, if not there are tools on the
Symantec site for other versions.

Make sure you have the FREE version of AVG. Sometimes it's hard to
locate the free version URL.



Thanks. I read it. Not sure I am ready to try it, but I bookmarked it.
I am pretty sure I found the free version of AVG. There was a leading
advertisement to
get the full up version for free also, but I read it carefully and
discovered it was one of those
"free to try" deals. The version I downloaded from:

http://www.download.com/AVG-Anti-Virus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10320142.htmlwas

is the basic, "free" file. Hold on ..... it's file name is: "index.php"
Haven't installed it yet though. Been reading that there have been some
problems getting it to install. Need to research it a bit more.

Eisboch

I've installed free AVG on three Vista PCs with no problems. I think you
know to remove Norton before the AVG install.


Well, that's where I am hung up. I haven't actually installed Norton on
the new computer, but I haven't completely removed it either. It still
asks to be installed every time I reboot. I figured I'd try to learn how
to completely remove it from the computer before installing AVG. Your link
provided good information, but it's obviously not as simple as doing a
Windows "Remove Program".

I hate doing stuff like this. Every time I try to do something more
involved than a simple install or uninstall, I screw up the computer and I
am up all night trying to fix it.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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You might want to try the Norton removal tool from Symantec:

http://tinyurl.com/7v555b

I haven't used it recently but in the past it was effective in removing
their bloat-ware

I assumed that you have the 2008 version, if not there are tools on the
Symantec site for other versions.

Make sure you have the FREE version of AVG. Sometimes it's hard to
locate the free version URL.



Thanks. I read it. Not sure I am ready to try it, but I bookmarked it.
I am pretty sure I found the free version of AVG. There was a leading
advertisement to
get the full up version for free also, but I read it carefully and
discovered it was one of those
"free to try" deals. The version I downloaded from:

http://www.download.com/AVG-Anti-Virus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10320142.htmlwas

is the basic, "free" file. Hold on ..... it's file name is:
"index.php" Haven't installed it yet though. Been reading that there
have been some problems getting it to install. Need to research it a
bit more.

Eisboch

I've installed free AVG on three Vista PCs with no problems. I think you
know to remove Norton before the AVG install.


Well, that's where I am hung up. I haven't actually installed Norton on
the new computer, but I haven't completely removed it either. It still
asks to be installed every time I reboot. I figured I'd try to learn how
to completely remove it from the computer before installing AVG. Your
link provided good information, but it's obviously not as simple as doing
a Windows "Remove Program".

I hate doing stuff like this. Every time I try to do something more
involved than a simple install or uninstall, I screw up the computer and I
am up all night trying to fix it.

Eisboch

Where's your engineer's curiosity? For anybody that tries water skiing
after so many years this is a piece of cake. You probably wouldn't even
break a leg either. 8)

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Where's your engineer's curiosity?

My engineer's curiosity over the years led to a simple rule.

"Leave well enough alone".

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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Ahhhhh...You've found one of the many Norton aggravators. Really.
There are pages and pages of URLs that lead to ways to resolve
problems incurred in complete removal of Norton from a computer. I kid
you not.

I stopped using Norton some years ago because I could not get it to
update certain modules no matter what, and neither could the "tech
support" guys in Bombay.

Good luck!


Yup. That's what I've read about Norton and attempts to remove it
completely. I tried to delete it from my XP machine, but parts of it
are still there, including the window asking me if I want to install it
every time it boots. I was told by someone with more computer smarts
than I that I'd be better off just to continue refusing it's
installation prompt, which I've been doing on that computer for about 4
years now.
I suppose I could just get in the habit of doing the same thing with
this new Vista machine.

Eisboch


Try this:

Open the "Run" command.

Type "prefetch".

It will open a window with several files - delete them all (really).

At a minimum it should help your start up time if it doesn't fix the
problem.

"D K" wrote in message
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Try this:

Open the "Run" command.

Type "prefetch".

It will open a window with several files - delete them all (really).

At a minimum it should help your start up time if it doesn't fix the
problem.


I can't find a "Run" command in Vista.

Eisboch