"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:


No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a
Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here challenged
your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you responded with a
statement indicating that you only used it for towing your boat, yet it
had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four years
was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch



The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between workers
and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto workers are
unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for health
insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade
unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I am
hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return to the
good old days.

I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM offered
such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy" SUVs. I had use
of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were driving an aircraft
carrier.

I understand. You don't have to explain it to me. Explain it to your union
brothers.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a
Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here challenged
your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you responded with a
statement indicating that you only used it for towing your boat, yet it
had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four years
was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between workers
and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto workers are
unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for health
insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade
unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I am
hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return to the
good old days.

I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM offered
such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy" SUVs. I had use
of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were driving an aircraft
carrier.

I understand. You don't have to explain it to me. Explain it to your union
brothers.

Eisboch



They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.

"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.

Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Eisboch

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.

Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.
Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.


Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong.

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:47:08 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.
Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.

Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong.

A truly Supreme Being is all things - including occasionally wrong.

And you still need to get a sense of humor.

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:47:08 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.
Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.
Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.
Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong.

A truly Supreme Being is all things - including occasionally wrong.

And you still need to get a sense of humor.


I'll laugh when I see the heads of some corporate execs on pikes.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.



Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong.

Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is
starting to look like
four more years of the same.

Eisboch

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:02:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.

Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong.

Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is
starting to look like four more years of the same.

Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100
days.

Statute provides that those born on foreign soil to servicemen or
diplomats serving are "natural born -- which is what makes John McCain
"natural born."

That same statute the Nationality Act of 1940 (amended in 19652)
requires the U.S. Citizen to have resided in the U.S. for ten years,
five of which were after the age of 14.

Ann Dunham was only 18 when BHO was born.

Obama's father lived in the US less than a year.

Obama's biological father was a Kenyan citizen and Obama's mother a
U.S. citizen who was not old enough to register Obama's birth in
Hawaii as a "natural born" United States Citizen.

It's technical I know, and a little silly I readily admit, but...

More political hay has been made out of technical legal issues which
are totally silly - it's a politicians stock-in-trade.

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.


Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong.

Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is
starting to look like
four more years of the same.

Eisboch




I hadn't noticed that Obama was appointing incompetent party hacks or
ideologues the way Bush did and does.

Anyone who thought Obama was "radical" wasn't paying attention. Obama is
a centrist who leans slightly left of center.

There will be plenty of "change" the next four years, beginning 20
January 2009.

I previously published a list of 10 changes I would like to see the
incoming administration make. I'm confident Obama will make all of them.

Meanwhile, I see that your boy, President "Call me a Total Failure" Bush
is still appointing right-wing numnutzies to federal jobs, and pushing
through rules and regulations to continue screwing with the environment
and worker safety. He's a regular piece of ****, right to the end, an
incompetent who has done his very best to ruin this country,