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headsail furlers -the good, the bad and the ugly...sound off!
like the header sez...
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headsail furlers -the good, the bad and the ugly...sound off!
On Aug 8, 9:58 pm, mister b wrote:
like the header sez... I like my CDI. I installed it myself twice. A couple of months ago I took it off to tighten the headstay and am about to put it back on. |
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headsail furlers -the good, the bad and the ugly...sound off!
On 2008-08-08 23:06:53 -0400, said:
On Aug 8, 9:58 pm, mister b wrote: like the header sez... I like my CDI. I installed it myself twice. A couple of months ago I took it off to tighten the headstay and am about to put it back on. Another vote for CDI. About 20 years' problem-free use on two boats. Initial setup can be a problem IF you don't follow the directions as soon as you receive it. Bulletproof, though a pre-feeder is good for the larger sizes. OH! WHAT SIZE BOAT? -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:26:39 +0000, Jere Lull wrote:
Another vote for CDI. OH! WHAT SIZE BOAT? Hinterhoeller HR28 |
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headsail furlers -the good, the bad and the ugly...sound off!
Since it is harder to change headsails with a roller rig, I've found that
sail plan and size is more important than I've heard discussed. My E32 came with big 150% Genoa on the theory that it would do everything. The problem was that, when rolled up to the size appropriate for the typical strong wind, it lost too much shape and had too much bulk rolled on the head stay for the boat to go to windward well. I therefore had to carry a working jib in case I was ever faced with a long beat to windward and go through the whole swapping routine. Changing headsails on a roller rig is harder not just because of the foil set up but because a "do everything" roller Genoa has to be of heavier cloth to stand up to the strains when reefed and the rolling. Add luff foam and leach sun cover and It makes for a big bulky sail bag and hard work bagging on the foredeck. I had my new headsail built last winter cut to 135% size with a very high clew. The latter feature makes sailing in congested waters vastly more enjoyable and safer at a performance penalty I would only notice in a race with an identical boat. The area reduction means that the sail will still have decent shape when reefed down to size for 20 - 25 knot winds. I really haven't noticed any performance difference with the full sail plan that I can tie to the reduction in overlap. I no longer carry the working jib although I will put it back on board for any long trips that might involved long beats in 25 knot plus winds. I used to change jibs a couple times a month as different weather systems went through but, no more. The E32 is a bit on the tender side so these sizes are not a guide to all boats. If you are ordering a new roller headsail, figure out the jib size for winds in the low 20's and tell your sailmaker to make the full size such that you will still have decent shape when rolled down that amount. -- Roger Long |
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:06:35 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: Since it is harder to change headsails with a roller rig, I've found that sail plan and size is more important than I've heard discussed. My E32 came with big 150% Genoa on the theory that it would do everything. The problem was that, when rolled up to the size appropriate for the typical strong wind, it lost too much shape and had too much bulk rolled on the head stay for the boat to go to windward well. I therefore had to carry a working jib in case I was ever faced with a long beat to windward and go through the whole swapping routine. Changing headsails on a roller rig is harder not just because of the foil set up but because a "do everything" roller Genoa has to be of heavier cloth to stand up to the strains when reefed and the rolling. Add luff foam and leach sun cover and It makes for a big bulky sail bag and hard work bagging on the foredeck. I had my new headsail built last winter cut to 135% size with a very high clew. The latter feature makes sailing in congested waters vastly more enjoyable and safer at a performance penalty I would only notice in a race with an identical boat. The area reduction means that the sail will still have decent shape when reefed down to size for 20 - 25 knot winds. I really haven't noticed any performance difference with the full sail plan that I can tie to the reduction in overlap. I no longer carry the working jib although I will put it back on board for any long trips that might involved long beats in 25 knot plus winds. I used to change jibs a couple times a month as different weather systems went through but, no more. The E32 is a bit on the tender side so these sizes are not a guide to all boats. If you are ordering a new roller headsail, figure out the jib size for winds in the low 20's and tell your sailmaker to make the full size such that you will still have decent shape when rolled down that amount. Kappa Sails in Westbrook Connecticut makes an excellent "reefable" genoa. Two different progressive weights in one sail. A 135 that can roll down to a well shaped 100. If my present sails were not in such good shape, I'd have one. I have a main from him, and it's a thing of geat beauty. |
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:06:35 -0400, Roger Long wrote:
Since it is harder to change headsails with a roller rig, I've found that sail plan and size is more important than I've heard discussed. My E32 came with big 150% Genoa on the theory that it would do everything. The problem was that, when rolled up to the size appropriate for the typical strong wind, it lost too much shape and had too much bulk rolled on the head stay for the boat to go to windward well. the guy down the dock has a Jeppeson x-102 with a 135% on a Harken roller...he's been sailing longer than I've been alive...where we sail, daytime heating and funneling in the bay produce regular conditions of 20kts+ steady, with frequent gusting in the 30-40kt range...he solos so in these times, he'll drop his main and roll the jib way in well below 100%...his boat still moves well to windward...so I'm confused about the claims of poor shape/performance when rolled way in...he says it's BS and has the empirical evidence at hand...I guess it depends on context. If you are ordering a new roller headsail, figure out the jib size for winds in the low 20's and tell your sailmaker to make the full size such that you will still have decent shape when rolled down that amount. Seems reasonable...I've bought a 3yr. old 135% that I want to get cut to fit a roller. I've found out the hard way that a 135% is just too much sail for my sailing grounds...every day around noon the big guy in the sky pushes the blow-like-stink button and getting that hanked-on sail changed is getting too exciting for the admiral! |
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headsail furlers -the good, the bad and the ugly...sound off!
"mister b" wrote
in these times, he'll drop his main and roll the jib way in well below 100%...his boat still moves well to windward...so I'm confused about the claims of poor shape/performance when rolled way in...he says it's BS and has the empirical evidence at hand...I guess it depends on context. Is he just moving well to windward or is he beating to reach an objective to windward? A jib rolled way down (I think you meant 50%) will still drive the boat to windward but it won't point very well or be as fast as with smaller sail not rolled down as much. I could get my boat to make steady progress to windward with the old 150% genoa rolled down to nearly that amount but it was pretty discouraging to look at the GPS track on a long beat. The thing that got me thinking about the smaller, compromize Genoa I had built was noticing how much faster the boat was to windward with the small working jib in fresh breezes. The performance difference between the 150% and the working jib (about a 110% overlap) even in light air and on reaches was much less than the difference in sail area would indicate. -- Roger Long |
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On 2008-08-09 21:06:04 -0400, "Roger Long" said:
The performance difference between the 150% and the working jib (about a 110% overlap) even in light air and on reaches was much less than the difference in sail area would indicate. Upwind, the difference is pretty much the difference in length about a foot or so behind the luff, where the power comes from. There's some benefit from less drag in the smaller sail, too. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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