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Miami to BVI
On 2008-05-06 07:44:47 -0400, Wayne.B said:
On Tue, 06 May 2008 11:31:50 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: As long as the OP pays attention to local weather, they'll be just fine. Bad advice Jere. LIS experiences very few hurricanes, about the same frequency as the Chesapeake. The area in question by our intrepid cruise planner experiences multiple hurricanes every season. He is talking about sailing hundreds of miles off shore in a sailboat with no time or opportunity to seek shelter. Sorry to directly disagree, but I been there, done that, and know both areas intimately. LI gets more storms and hurricanes than the BVI or any other single "Caribbean" island group ("quotes" allow for including the Bahamas and Bermuda, which aren't in the Caribbean.) As a BVI "expert" for more than a decade, I get many reports. To date, I have fielded exactly one 'cane experience in the BVI, and their experience was that they were "forced" into a hurricane hole for one day. They listened to the local forecasts, chose that day to shop onshore, and were paid to enjoy the experience. They cared not that they had to wear their foulies as they walked around. A typical Chesapeake squall line is more "interesting" than their experience. Chesapeake squall lines are a wake-up call for world cruisers who have been through 'canes or brushed by them. We often experience 110+ knot winds for an hour or more. A fairly recent one put 28 boats on a local anchorage's beaches. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 02:21:52 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
LI gets more storms and hurricanes than the BVI Maybe so but he's got to get to the BVI first after about 1200 nautical miles underway in prime hurricane season. I wouldn't do it, and I don't know anyone else with experience who would either. |
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Jere Lull wrote:
.... Sorry to directly disagree, but I been there, done that, and know both areas intimately. LI gets more storms and hurricanes than the BVI or any other single "Caribbean" island group ("quotes" allow for including the Bahamas and Bermuda, which aren't in the Caribbean.) This seems very doubtful indeed if you're just counting hurricanes and tropical storms. Lets look at the data: Since 1851, New York has had 12 strikes from hurricanes, 6 cat 1, 1 cat 2, 5 cat 3, and nothing stronger. http://www.stormfax.com/hurstate.htm How about the Carribean: For the same period, Virgin Gorda had 28 hurricanes, of which 4 of the were cat 4, stronger than any that hit NY. The Bahamas faired worse, with 40 hurricanes. In fact, most of the Carribean/Bahamas (and even Bermuda) has more hurricanes than any place in the US Northeast. (It is true that the Carribean strikes are measured a bit different, but since the NY coast is about 120 miles this seems like a fair comparison.) http://www.stormcarib.com/climatology/freq.htm which is extracted from: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/NWS-TPC-5.pdf http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/deadly/index.html As a BVI "expert" for more than a decade, I get many reports. To date, I have fielded exactly one 'cane experience in the BVI, and their experience was that they were "forced" into a hurricane hole for one day. They listened to the local forecasts, chose that day to shop onshore, and were paid to enjoy the experience. They cared not that they had to wear their foulies as they walked around. Their memory is rather short, since the BVI had a number of serious hits in the late '80s and '90s. Of course, that's the problem with being an "expert" for the last ten years; the major storms average every 15 years or so. A typical Chesapeake squall line is more "interesting" than their experience. Chesapeake squall lines are a wake-up call for world cruisers who have been through 'canes or brushed by them. We often experience 110+ knot winds for an hour or more. A fairly recent one put 28 boats on a local anchorage's beaches. I certainly wouldn't deny that thunderstorm squalls can be very intense, but I seriously doubt they sustain 110+ knots for over an hour, and that this happens "often." I've tried to find any record of extreme squalls and in fact only one reporting station on the Chesapeake reported record gusts of over 100 mph. I have no doubt that "hurricane force gusts" occur somewhere in the Bay several times a year, but that's not the same 110+ knots sustained for over an hour. |
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jeff wrote:
A typical Chesapeake squall line is more "interesting" than their experience. Chesapeake squall lines are a wake-up call for world cruisers who have been through 'canes or brushed by them. We often experience 110+ knot winds for an hour or more. A fairly recent one put 28 boats on a local anchorage's beaches. I certainly wouldn't deny that thunderstorm squalls can be very intense, but I seriously doubt they sustain 110+ knots for over an hour, and that this happens "often." I've tried to find any record of extreme squalls and in fact only one reporting station on the Chesapeake reported record gusts of over 100 mph. I have no doubt that "hurricane force gusts" occur somewhere in the Bay several times a year, but that's not the same 110+ knots sustained for over an hour. Thanks for the research Jeff, I was rather incredulous about the sustained 110+ knots, (125 mph) myself. Fortunately I had to go and spend several hours on the water in a Zodiak helping to move moorings by attaching and detaching lines from a big crane to said moorings before I had time to look into the veracity of this claim. Cheers Marty Ch |
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 19:03:21 -0400, jeff wrote:
I have no doubt that "hurricane force gusts" occur somewhere in the Bay several times a year, but that's not the same 110+ knots sustained for over an hour. On open water. |
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On 2008-05-08 19:03:21 -0400, jeff said:
Jere Lull wrote: ... Sorry to directly disagree, but I been there, done that, and know both areas intimately. LI gets more storms and hurricanes than the BVI or any other single "Caribbean" island group ("quotes" allow for including the Bahamas and Bermuda, which aren't in the Caribbean.) This seems very doubtful indeed if you're just counting hurricanes and tropical storms. Lets look at the data: Since 1851, New York has had 12 strikes from hurricanes, 6 cat 1, 1 cat 2, 5 cat 3, and nothing stronger. http://www.stormfax.com/hurstate.htm How about the Carribean: For the same period, Virgin Gorda had 28 hurricanes, of which 4 of the were cat 4, stronger than any that hit NY. The Bahamas faired worse, with 40 hurricanes. In fact, most of the Carribean/Bahamas (and even Bermuda) has more hurricanes than any place in the US Northeast. That is why I carefully wrote "storms and hurricanes". Include spring storms and nor'easters (sp?) with storm-strength or greater winds and the complexion of the areas change. But I did mis-edit. We've experienced only the one squall where several neighbors reported their anemometers pegged at 110 for over an hour that put 28 boats on the shore. That was September '04, I believe. Two or three times a season, we get squalls of significance that startle world-travellers, more in the 70+ knot range, and usually over more quickly. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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