On May 5, 10:36*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

You will probably
die. WAKE UP!

Wilbur Hubbard


My honored poster:

I must completly disagree with your advice,
The boater should follow his dream as did Skip & Lydia.
After all whats so hard about sailing considering all the amazing
technology availible today. Add to this the USCG is just a call away..
you know, sorta like a maritime On-Star. If their passion is there by
all means they should follow their dream. Like the albatross that
soars so will their hearts and soles soar to their destiny... their
dream... their future.. their passion.

Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
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On May 5, 10:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

I must completly disagree with your advice,
The boater should follow his dream as did Skip & Lydia.
After all whats so hard about sailing considering all the amazing
technology availible today. Add to this the USCG is just a call away..
you know, sorta like a maritime On-Star. If their passion is there by
all means they should follow their dream. Like the albatross that
soars so will their hearts and soles soar to their destiny... their
dream... their future.. their passion.

I hope BeeRich understands the farcical nature of your post but I doubt it.
He or she sounds clueless to me. Just another self-made victim for the Coast
Guard to practice their rescues on.

Your comments are the exact pie-in-the sky, liberal, feel good sentiments
that are the direct cause of "Red Cloud" being on the bottom of the Gulf
after being abandoned in mildly-rough weather by her
listen-to-nobody-with-experience captain. Funny how thoseliberal feel-good
sentiments are so quickly abandoned when one becomes very frightened of
losing one's life.

But, no matter what you say or do there is a certain group of ignorant,
stubborn losers who refuse to listen to sensible advice and *feel* they can
buck the odds. Yah, right! May their bones rest in peace on the sea bottom.

Wilbur Hubbard

"BeeRich" wrote in message
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On May 5, 1:11 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland
USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands?

What you need to do is take the "I-65 route." That is depart out of Miami
and head northeast to east as the prevailing SE winds allow. Proceed on
your
course north of the Abacos chain (the Gulf Stream will assist your
northerly
progress) and keep going until you arrive at longitude 65w. (You will be
close to Bermuda so if you wish to rest you might consider stopping
there.)
Then come about and turn south on a port tack and close haul or reach down
to the BVIs. This should take you two to three weeks. Don't do it during
hurricane season. Middle of May to middle of June is the time to go. Be
sure
you have a place to hide in the BVIs during hurricane season.

Wilbur Hubbard
Swan 68

That is the route I am planning on taking. Abacos, along the top edge
of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing
DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. You sure I can't stick
close to the islands? Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack,
is a bit much.

I've got a buddy in the BVi who does deliveries. Might be a good idea to
hire a 'professional captain' if this is your first time.

On May 5, 11:49*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

Yah, right! *May their bones rest in peace on the sea bottom.

Wilbur Hubbard


Arggg......... ! They be whinning n makin excuses to Davy Jones
soon......


Bob
BTW Im a liberal Democrate

On May 5, 7:46 am, BeeRich wrote:
Hiya folks.

Anybody done this trip? Any recommendations, cautions, stories? I'm
wanting to take a sailboat with a crewmate from Florida to BVI via
Abacos, along the islands.

Any input appreciated.

Cheers

Yes, this is doable. Yes, it is against the prevailing winds most of
the time. Many have done it, I have done part of it. The secret is
to have no schedule and to be willing to wait--sometimes for a week or
more or even more yet--for the proper weather windows. The most
common route is via the Exumas, Long Island and Mayaguana to Turks and
Caicos, then to Dominican Republic, then Puerto Rico and finally the
Virgins. A really good book to study for this trip is "The
Gentleman's Guide to Passages South" by Bruce Van Sant. You can go
directly to the Virgins from the Bahamas, but you need a really good
weather window. Which ever route you choose, be prepared to motor or
motorsail. Also, even though it is hurricane season, many people
still sail. Hurricane holes do, but you have to plan carefully.
Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

"Peter" wrote in message
...
Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds
of success?

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double
that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can
travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time
via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days
when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on
their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing,
have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad
name.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
anews.com:

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about
double that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing
when one can travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a
much shorter time via the sailors route I suggested?
Wilbur Hubbard

The last time that I checked, the distance from Bermuda to the BVIs was
about 800 nm. Glancing at a chart, I'd guess that it's about the same, or
longer, from Miami to Bermuda, or a total of 1600+ NM.

I didn't think that the thorny path was 1200 miles, and that's probably
even a bit short with tacking, but it's definately not 2400 miles.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

On May 5, 2:18*pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
"BeeRich" wrote in message

...

Hi there. *We are thinking of going down sometime between August and
October.

What? Are you daft? That's a stupid thing to do. You're talking about the
busiest part of the Atlantic hurricane season. *You obviously haven't a
clue. Stay home or take a cruise ship. You obviously aren't qualified to be
out there sailing a small boat.

--
Gregory Hall

For your reasons, there would be no sailboats in the Caribbean at any
time, as they would be wiped out. Not every day is a hurricane, but
perhaps you haven't noticed that.

On May 5, 2:36*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"BeeRich" wrote in message

...

Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland
USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands?

There is more than one way to get someplace other than the direct route as
seen on a chart or map.
There are many many yachts of US registry in the Bahamas and in the Virgins.
That doesn't mean they all sailed there directly. Some of the motor boats
maybe but sailboats - few, if any are foolish enough to attempt such a long
slog against wind and current. Since you don't seem to realize this FACT it
tells me you are totally unqualified to try such a thing. Forget it.

That is the route I am planning on taking. *Abacos, along the top edge
of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing
DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. *You sure I can't stick
close to the islands? *Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack,
is a bit much.

You'd better CHANGE your stupid plans or you're going to end up dead. You
are acting totally irrationally. You are acting like some stupid twit. You
don't try what you are talking about in a sailboat even in the off-season
and you are going to attempt it at the height of the hurricane season. You
are an idiot! Typical of the fool who thinks sailing is something to do by
brute force, without knowing the first thing about it, relying upon chance
and good luck. Well, your brute force ain't squat compared to Mother
Nature's brute force. And you're good luck will run out. You will probably
die. WAKE UP!

Wilbur Hubbard

This coming from a guy that says everybody in a newsgroup has no
experience, and he is the only person who does. Sounds like you need
something to deal with your insecurity. Hey maybe I should just ride
over on your boat, since it's the only one that can do it.

And I do know something about it. I've been on boats for over 30
years now, probably longer than you. Reading the weather, isn't about
chance. But I bet you think hurricanes form instantly. WAKE UP!

On May 5, 3:03*pm, Geoff Schultz wrote:
BeeRich wrote :

On May 5, 12:39*pm, Geoff Schultz wrote:

After I responsed, I realized that I should have asked an obvious (at
least
to me) question. *Are you planning on doing this soon? *Most people
are
thinking about getting their boats out of the hurricane box by this
time of
the season. *You're talking about heading into it. *Where are you
going to leave it for hurricane season?

Hi there. *We are thinking of going down sometime between August and
October.

As several other people have commented, you're nuts if you want to leave
from FL and go to the BVIs at that time of the year. *You're dead center in
the middle of hurricane season. *What would happen of you got caught in
one? *Where you would go? *Are you prepared to lose your boat and/or life?

Most people are departing those waters for safer locations. *If you said
that you were thinking of leaving at the end of October, then I'd say that
it's a reasonable trip. *However, Aug-Oct is crazy.

I know several people who have made this trip in sailboats, and while it
isn't fun, it's doable. *The Van Sant book that I mentioned earier is a
very good guide.

-- Geoffwww.GeoffSchultz.org

It's the only time that is convenient, so that's the time that I am
considering. I haven't made my mind up yet, as that's why I'm asking
in here. The very indication that there is a book on this, means that
it's something that's been done, and people are interested in doing
it.

And no, I don't plan on just walking out into a hurricane. And yes,
I've been through hurricanes. But to say that all of the Caribbean
and Florida is nothing but hurricanes that time of year, is just not
true. So what about the people that you indicate are departing those
waters? They must get caught in hurricanes. I guess they're all dead
then? Of course not.

Part of this thread is about finding a time for such a route. If it
means waiting, then so be it. I look forward to finding that book, if
I decide to do this.

Cheers