On May 5, 2:36*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"BeeRich" wrote in message

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Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland
USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands?

There is more than one way to get someplace other than the direct route as
seen on a chart or map.
There are many many yachts of US registry in the Bahamas and in the Virgins.
That doesn't mean they all sailed there directly. Some of the motor boats
maybe but sailboats - few, if any are foolish enough to attempt such a long
slog against wind and current. Since you don't seem to realize this FACT it
tells me you are totally unqualified to try such a thing. Forget it.

That is the route I am planning on taking. *Abacos, along the top edge
of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing
DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. *You sure I can't stick
close to the islands? *Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack,
is a bit much.

You'd better CHANGE your stupid plans or you're going to end up dead. You
are acting totally irrationally. You are acting like some stupid twit. You
don't try what you are talking about in a sailboat even in the off-season
and you are going to attempt it at the height of the hurricane season. You
are an idiot! Typical of the fool who thinks sailing is something to do by
brute force, without knowing the first thing about it, relying upon chance
and good luck. Well, your brute force ain't squat compared to Mother
Nature's brute force. And you're good luck will run out. You will probably
die. WAKE UP!

Wilbur Hubbard

This coming from a guy that says everybody in a newsgroup has no
experience, and he is the only person who does. Sounds like you need
something to deal with your insecurity. Hey maybe I should just ride
over on your boat, since it's the only one that can do it.

And I do know something about it. I've been on boats for over 30
years now, probably longer than you. Reading the weather, isn't about
chance. But I bet you think hurricanes form instantly. WAKE UP!

"BeeRich" wrote in message
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This coming from a guy that says everybody in a newsgroup has no
experience, and he is the only person who does. Sounds like you need
something to deal with your insecurity. Hey maybe I should just ride
over on your boat, since it's the only one that can do it.

Maybe you should just pull your head out of your arse! And I wouldn't let
your like anywhere near my boat. You are an accident waiting to happen.

And I do know something about it. I've been on boats for over 30
years now, probably longer than you. Reading the weather, isn't about
chance. But I bet you think hurricanes form instantly. WAKE UP!

And I bet you think your little old, let's see if I can guess it right,
Hunter 33? can outrun a hurricane. Good luck! I don't think you have any
idea of the distances or time involved.

Wilbur Hubbard

"BeeRich" wrote in message
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On May 5, 1:11 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland
USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands?

What you need to do is take the "I-65 route." That is depart out of Miami
and head northeast to east as the prevailing SE winds allow. Proceed on
your
course north of the Abacos chain (the Gulf Stream will assist your
northerly
progress) and keep going until you arrive at longitude 65w. (You will be
close to Bermuda so if you wish to rest you might consider stopping
there.)
Then come about and turn south on a port tack and close haul or reach down
to the BVIs. This should take you two to three weeks. Don't do it during
hurricane season. Middle of May to middle of June is the time to go. Be
sure
you have a place to hide in the BVIs during hurricane season.

Wilbur Hubbard
Swan 68

That is the route I am planning on taking. Abacos, along the top edge
of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing
DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. You sure I can't stick
close to the islands? Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack,
is a bit much.

I've got a buddy in the BVi who does deliveries. Might be a good idea to
hire a 'professional captain' if this is your first time.

On May 5, 4:10*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"BeeRich" wrote in message

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On May 5, 1:11 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland
USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands?



What you need to do is take the "I-65 route." That is depart out of Miami
and head northeast to east as the prevailing SE winds allow. Proceed on
your
course north of the Abacos chain (the Gulf Stream will assist your
northerly
progress) and keep going until you arrive at longitude 65w. (You will be
close to Bermuda so if you wish to rest you might consider stopping
there.)
Then come about and turn south on a port tack and close haul or reach down
to the BVIs. This should take you two to three weeks. Don't do it during
hurricane season. Middle of May to middle of June is the time to go. Be
sure
you have a place to hide in the BVIs during hurricane season.

Wilbur Hubbard
Swan 68

That is the route I am planning on taking. *Abacos, along the top edge
of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing
DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. *You sure I can't stick
close to the islands? *Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack,
is a bit much.

I've got a buddy in the BVi who does deliveries. * Might be a good idea to
hire a 'professional captain' if this is your first time.

Wrong again, sunshine.

"BeeRich" wrote in message
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On May 5, 4:10 pm, "Don White" wrote:


I've got a buddy in the BVi who does deliveries. Might be a good idea to
hire a 'professional captain' if this is your first time.


Wrong again, sunshine.

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You don't think it's a good idea to have someone along who has experience
sailing this area... or you don't want to pay for their expertice?

On May 5, 7:46 am, BeeRich wrote:
Hiya folks.

Anybody done this trip? Any recommendations, cautions, stories? I'm
wanting to take a sailboat with a crewmate from Florida to BVI via
Abacos, along the islands.

Any input appreciated.

Cheers

Yes, this is doable. Yes, it is against the prevailing winds most of
the time. Many have done it, I have done part of it. The secret is
to have no schedule and to be willing to wait--sometimes for a week or
more or even more yet--for the proper weather windows. The most
common route is via the Exumas, Long Island and Mayaguana to Turks and
Caicos, then to Dominican Republic, then Puerto Rico and finally the
Virgins. A really good book to study for this trip is "The
Gentleman's Guide to Passages South" by Bruce Van Sant. You can go
directly to the Virgins from the Bahamas, but you need a really good
weather window. Which ever route you choose, be prepared to motor or
motorsail. Also, even though it is hurricane season, many people
still sail. Hurricane holes do, but you have to plan carefully.
Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

"Peter" wrote in message
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Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds
of success?

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double
that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can
travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time
via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days
when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on
their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing,
have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad
name.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
anews.com:

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about
double that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing
when one can travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a
much shorter time via the sailors route I suggested?
Wilbur Hubbard

The last time that I checked, the distance from Bermuda to the BVIs was
about 800 nm. Glancing at a chart, I'd guess that it's about the same, or
longer, from Miami to Bermuda, or a total of 1600+ NM.

I didn't think that the thorny path was 1200 miles, and that's probably
even a bit short with tacking, but it's definately not 2400 miles.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. .

I didn't think that the thorny path was 1200 miles, and that's probably
even a bit short with tacking, but it's definately not 2400 miles.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Last time I checked it was about 1200 miles as the crow flies from Miami to
the BVIs. Now when you consider it's a beat the whole way because of the
prevailing winds aggravated by a current setting against you, just do the
math. I didn't say it would end up being 2400 miles but it's probably going
to be 1800 all told. So what would you prefer to do. Slog to weather against
prevailing winds and adverse current for 1800 miles or close reach and reach
about the same distance via the sailing route. If you're a sailor you'll
chose the latter.

If you're an ignorant putz like ReeBitch you'll choose the former and during
the peak of hurricane season to boot, fully believing in luck and your
ability to foresee the weather signs and outrun the hurricane to some
dubious shelter. Even Capt. Skippy isn't THAT stupid!

Wilbur Hubbard

On May 5, 5:06*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message

...

Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds
of success?

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double
that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can
travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time
via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days
when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on
their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing,
have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad
name.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wow you really are misguided. How about this for an answer: Their
itinerary dictates that they have a destination first, THEN carry on
with fun sailing. And yes, today's boats allow for tacking, not
worldwide adventure routes. Sailing has come to whatever people want
sailing to be. And motorboats are a very valid way of boating. It's
pompous boneheads like you that insult others that give sailing a bad
name.