wrote:


Hey! Isn't the Roger Long who designs boats?

Now you know how the rest of us feel when we discover that to save
space, make the hull a better shape, or some other trivial reason you
can't get THAT nut off until you remove THIS thing over here :-)





Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

chuckle yep!

but that's usually the fault of owners who want everything including
the kitchen sink in a 30' boat but won't accept the loss of
accommodation space to a proper engineroom. Or of marketing types
ditto.

Cheers,
Michael Porter
Michael Porter Marine Design
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com

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"Michael Porter" wrote in message
...
wrote:


Hey! Isn't the Roger Long who designs boats?

Now you know how the rest of us feel when we discover that to save
space, make the hull a better shape, or some other trivial reason you
can't get THAT nut off until you remove THIS thing over here :-)





Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

chuckle yep!

but that's usually the fault of owners who want everything including
the kitchen sink in a 30' boat but won't accept the loss of
accommodation space to a proper engineroom. Or of marketing types
ditto.

I knew of a beautiful Cape Dory 36 that was bought by a man that had a Swan
40 something that he couldn't handle, but wanted all of the amenities of the
larger boat. The first thing he did was hire a marine carpenter to redo the
interior and then added a Balmar genset which went under the cockpit aft of
the engine. After that she sat about 2 inches down at the stern and the
generator which had a one cylinder something never ran right and when it did
it was so noisy that they couldn't stay below. Now for the fun part, to get
to the stuffing gland or the steering quadrant, you had to unhook the
generator and slide it out onto the quarter berth and move it aft so you
could get into that space. As much as I can remember this boat was very
seldom sailed and just motored from marina to marina.

Leanne

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:22:24 -0400, "Leanne" wrote:

"Michael Porter" wrote in message
.. .
wrote:


Hey! Isn't the Roger Long who designs boats?

Now you know how the rest of us feel when we discover that to save
space, make the hull a better shape, or some other trivial reason you
can't get THAT nut off until you remove THIS thing over here :-)





Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

chuckle yep!

but that's usually the fault of owners who want everything including
the kitchen sink in a 30' boat but won't accept the loss of
accommodation space to a proper engineroom. Or of marketing types
ditto.

I knew of a beautiful Cape Dory 36 that was bought by a man that had a Swan
40 something that he couldn't handle, but wanted all of the amenities of the
larger boat. The first thing he did was hire a marine carpenter to redo the
interior and then added a Balmar genset which went under the cockpit aft of
the engine. After that she sat about 2 inches down at the stern and the
generator which had a one cylinder something never ran right and when it did
it was so noisy that they couldn't stay below. Now for the fun part, to get
to the stuffing gland or the steering quadrant, you had to unhook the
generator and slide it out onto the quarter berth and move it aft so you
could get into that space. As much as I can remember this boat was very
seldom sailed and just motored from marina to marina.

Leanne

Poor design. Should have either used a smaller gen-set or mounted it
under the forward berth =:-)




Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:26:10 -0400, Michael Porter
wrote:

wrote:


Hey! Isn't the Roger Long who designs boats?

Now you know how the rest of us feel when we discover that to save
space, make the hull a better shape, or some other trivial reason you
can't get THAT nut off until you remove THIS thing over here :-)





Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

chuckle yep!

but that's usually the fault of owners who want everything including
the kitchen sink in a 30' boat but won't accept the loss of
accommodation space to a proper engineroom. Or of marketing types
ditto.

Cheers,
Michael Porter
Michael Porter Marine Design
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com


Do you mean that 3 staterooms, en suite, is not standard in a 30
footer? And the lounge wouldn't normally seat 10 for a formal meal?
And where will the crew's quarters be?
My goodness, what are you people doing with all that computer help it
should be simple. =:-)




Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

wrote:

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:26:10 -0400, Michael Porter
wrote:

wrote:


Hey! Isn't the Roger Long who designs boats?

Now you know how the rest of us feel when we discover that to save
space, make the hull a better shape, or some other trivial reason you
can't get THAT nut off until you remove THIS thing over here :-)





Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

chuckle yep!

but that's usually the fault of owners who want everything including
the kitchen sink in a 30' boat but won't accept the loss of
accommodation space to a proper engineroom. Or of marketing types
ditto.

Cheers,
Michael Porter
Michael Porter Marine Design
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com


Do you mean that 3 staterooms, en suite, is not standard in a 30
footer? And the lounge wouldn't normally seat 10 for a formal meal?
And where will the crew's quarters be?
My goodness, what are you people doing with all that computer help it
should be simple. =:-)




Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

Yeah, well . . . most designers are a little brain-damaged, I guess.
why else would we be in a field where you have to do a lot of work and
make very little money?

I have spent far too much time upside-down with my head in the bilges
of gold-platers trying to fix something I could deal with in 20 min if
I had it on a bench in front of me to have a very good opinion of
production "yachts", especially the fancy ones.

No doubt a pernicious conspiracy between marketing people and owners
with the express purpose of frustrating designers and boatyard
workers.

Cheers,
Michael Porter
Michael Porter Marine Design
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:03:07 -0400, Michael Porter
wrote:

wrote:

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:26:10 -0400, Michael Porter
wrote:

wrote:


Hey! Isn't the Roger Long who designs boats?

Now you know how the rest of us feel when we discover that to save
space, make the hull a better shape, or some other trivial reason you
can't get THAT nut off until you remove THIS thing over here :-)





Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

chuckle yep!

but that's usually the fault of owners who want everything including
the kitchen sink in a 30' boat but won't accept the loss of
accommodation space to a proper engineroom. Or of marketing types
ditto.

Cheers,
Michael Porter
Michael Porter Marine Design
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com


Do you mean that 3 staterooms, en suite, is not standard in a 30
footer? And the lounge wouldn't normally seat 10 for a formal meal?
And where will the crew's quarters be?
My goodness, what are you people doing with all that computer help it
should be simple. =:-)




Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

Yeah, well . . . most designers are a little brain-damaged, I guess.
why else would we be in a field where you have to do a lot of work and
make very little money?

I have spent far too much time upside-down with my head in the bilges
of gold-platers trying to fix something I could deal with in 20 min if
I had it on a bench in front of me to have a very good opinion of
production "yachts", especially the fancy ones.

No doubt a pernicious conspiracy between marketing people and owners
with the express purpose of frustrating designers and boatyard
workers.

Cheers,
Michael Porter
Michael Porter Marine Design
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com


From all the articles about "how to design a yacht" I've always
assumed that the first task was to design a hull having the desired
properties; second, design a rig that wouldn't't fall over; third,
figure our how to house the crew; and lastly how to cram the motor in
.... somewhere.

Logical, perhaps, but highly frustrating when you can see something
but can't reach it to adjust it...


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

wrote:

Logical, perhaps, but highly frustrating when you can see something
but can't reach it to adjust it...

My brother told me of a big honkin' diesel gizmo he was to work on out
in the oil patch called Texas...it was a prototype pump or some such
thing. He asked "So, you expect me to pull the intake (maybe it was
exhaust) manifold to replace the oil filter?"