I believe that was for OIL not diesel.

Rufus wrote:
About 4 years ago there was a couple guys on the group who managed truck
and heavy equipment fleets. They swore by the paper filters (paper towel
or TP) and used them on their own personal trucks. You could probably
find the threads on google.

Rufus


--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Ahem...you meant mineral lubricating oil, rather than
mineral fuel oil?

Brian W

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:17:43 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

I believe that was for OIL not diesel.

Rufus wrote:
About 4 years ago there was a couple guys on the group who managed truck
and heavy equipment fleets. They swore by the paper filters (paper towel
or TP) and used them on their own personal trucks. You could probably
find the threads on google.

Rufus

Ahem...you meant mineral lubricating oil, rather than
mineral fuel oil?

Brian W

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:17:43 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

I believe that was for OIL not diesel.

Rufus wrote:
About 4 years ago there was a couple guys on the group who managed truck
and heavy equipment fleets. They swore by the paper filters (paper towel
or TP) and used them on their own personal trucks. You could probably
find the threads on google.

Rufus

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:17:43 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

I believe that was for OIL not diesel.

Not much difference between diesel and oil.

Steve

Rufus wrote:
About 4 years ago there was a couple guys on the group who managed truck
and heavy equipment fleets. They swore by the paper filters (paper towel
or TP) and used them on their own personal trucks. You could probably
find the threads on google.

Rufus


--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:17:43 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

I believe that was for OIL not diesel.

Not much difference between diesel and oil.

Steve

Rufus wrote:
About 4 years ago there was a couple guys on the group who managed truck
and heavy equipment fleets. They swore by the paper filters (paper towel
or TP) and used them on their own personal trucks. You could probably
find the threads on google.

Rufus


--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

THe Gulf Coast paper towel filters are popular with trucker for
extending the life of lubricating oil which is what they were originally
intended for.

Brian Whatcott wrote:

Ahem...you meant mineral lubricating oil, rather than
mineral fuel oil?

Brian W

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:17:43 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:


I believe that was for OIL not diesel.

Rufus wrote:

About 4 years ago there was a couple guys on the group who managed truck
and heavy equipment fleets. They swore by the paper filters (paper towel
or TP) and used them on their own personal trucks. You could probably
find the threads on google.

Rufus




--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

THe Gulf Coast paper towel filters are popular with trucker for
extending the life of lubricating oil which is what they were originally
intended for.

Brian Whatcott wrote:

Ahem...you meant mineral lubricating oil, rather than
mineral fuel oil?

Brian W

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:17:43 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:


I believe that was for OIL not diesel.

Rufus wrote:

About 4 years ago there was a couple guys on the group who managed truck
and heavy equipment fleets. They swore by the paper filters (paper towel
or TP) and used them on their own personal trucks. You could probably
find the threads on google.

Rufus




--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

That works. I put the pickup at bottom and return at top thru the filler
hole. Some people use the tank return -- they remove hose or have a
three-way valve. You might be able to connect a hose to your draincock --
which would simplify things.
Len

I had thought of a bubbling mechanism to stir the tank while polishing.
Also thought if the return from the polishing system was placed at the
opposite end of the tank from the uptake it might keep things mixed
up a bit. I have a draincock at the lowest of each of my tanks so draining
out water and a bit of sediment is pretty easy.

Doug

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...
Concerns were expressed on this thread about pulling too much flow thru
a
polishing filter. I polish with a Racor 500 in a stand-alone system.
Some
time ago I called Racor and found out it's cartridge is rated for
20-25psi.
I equipped my polishing system with a vacuum gauge, same as on my
engine.
Vacuum can then be monitored and regulated in a couple ways. One way is
variable speed pump. The other uses a bypass valve, so that not all fuel
being pumped goes thru pump. I'll usually keep the filter vacuum around
10
psi to be conservative. When it rises 5psi that's sign the filter is
getting
clogged.

As for stirring up the crud, one guy told me he shoots a jet of air
around
the bottom of his tanks. Has a small L-shaped copper tube on an air
hose,
and with it tied to a dowel/rod pushes it to bottom and "aims" it
around.
He'll them sometimes just let the thing bubble away while polishing to
help
keep particulate matter in suspension.

Before "bubbling" the tank or doing anything else, first pump a quart or
two
off the bottom into glass jar and check for water. And continue this,
discarding the water, until no more is seen.

FWIW.
Len

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Eliminate "ns" for email address.

That works. I put the pickup at bottom and return at top thru the filler
hole. Some people use the tank return -- they remove hose or have a
three-way valve. You might be able to connect a hose to your draincock --
which would simplify things.
Len

I had thought of a bubbling mechanism to stir the tank while polishing.
Also thought if the return from the polishing system was placed at the
opposite end of the tank from the uptake it might keep things mixed
up a bit. I have a draincock at the lowest of each of my tanks so draining
out water and a bit of sediment is pretty easy.

Doug

"Len Krauss" wrote in message
...
Concerns were expressed on this thread about pulling too much flow thru
a
polishing filter. I polish with a Racor 500 in a stand-alone system.
Some
time ago I called Racor and found out it's cartridge is rated for
20-25psi.
I equipped my polishing system with a vacuum gauge, same as on my
engine.
Vacuum can then be monitored and regulated in a couple ways. One way is
variable speed pump. The other uses a bypass valve, so that not all fuel
being pumped goes thru pump. I'll usually keep the filter vacuum around
10
psi to be conservative. When it rises 5psi that's sign the filter is
getting
clogged.

As for stirring up the crud, one guy told me he shoots a jet of air
around
the bottom of his tanks. Has a small L-shaped copper tube on an air
hose,
and with it tied to a dowel/rod pushes it to bottom and "aims" it
around.
He'll them sometimes just let the thing bubble away while polishing to
help
keep particulate matter in suspension.

Before "bubbling" the tank or doing anything else, first pump a quart or
two
off the bottom into glass jar and check for water. And continue this,
discarding the water, until no more is seen.

FWIW.
Len

--
Eliminate "ns" for email address.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:36:38 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
wrote:

Steve,

Thanks for the pics of your system. Any suggestions on TP vs PT
filter?

I'd say that if you have the room, go for the big one. I didn't have
the room for the height of the PT filter so I went with 2 TP filters.
For the elements, I use the 1000 sheet Scott rolls. They're tightly
wound, dense, and when compressed into the cartridge and soaked in fuel
oil make a surprisingly solid mass. It's interesting that when you soak
a roll of TP in water, it falls apart but when you soak it in diesel, it
becomes a strong solid element.

Steve


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:01:15 -0500, DSK wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

..The main advantage of the paper depth filters is that they can filter
down to very small particle size and they can hold a whole lot of crud,
large and small, without clogging up. IOW, perfect for fuel polishing.

IMHO the only benefit is that they soak up a lot of water. They probably
do
trap a lot of particles but also shed them.

That hasn't been my experience with them. My experience is that they do
not shed significantly (they haven't clogged the 2 micron Racor behind
them yet) and that they do trap a lot of particles. I guess they also
make good water separaters but I wouldn't know that since I've never had
a problem with water in my fuel even before I put on the GCF filters.

.... The Racor 2 micron filter that's past the
TP filters is now 2 years old and is still clean.

That's like bragging about how many times you can use the same condom.
You

lol, not quite. Otherwise, we'd be changing Racor elements every time
we start the engine. Unlike condoms, the Racor elements are safe to
keep using until they get dirty.

could have spent the same amount of money on filter elements instead of
the
TP filter system, and have cleaner fuel.

That also hasn't been anywhere near my experience.

A lot of boats have their primary fuel filter in a difficult location.
That's not an excuse to try and stretch the filter, it's a reason to
either
1- buy a different boat or 2- remake the system so that you can change
the
filter element easily & quickly.

My Racor is very easy to change. The engine mounted filter a little
less easy, but it's still only a 10 minute job. Changing either of them
required bleeding the fuel system though. With what I have now, I can
change either the GCF filter or the Racor and not get any air into the
engine. I can shut off fuel to the engine and bleed the part of the
system with those filters with the walbro pump. I can even change the
GCF filters and bypass them to keep the engine running if it's
necessary. I do have to shut off fuel to the engine to bleed them
properly, although filling them with fuel before putting the lid on
really helps there so if it was really an emergency, I could probably
keep the engine running.

BTW if you buy filter elements by the carton, you can carry a lot of them
and not pay much.

The main problem is that I had to change 2 of the Racor elements when
the engine died after operating only 20 minutes each. And with the
amount of crud in the tank, that trend was likely to continue for a long
time. That's totally unacceptable no matter how cheap you get the
elements (they're still expensive even by the case) or how many you
carry. The GCF 01-Jr filters before the Racor totally solved the
problem and cost me about the same as having the tank cleaned and the
fuel in it polished. Now, I have that accomplished and still have the
system installed for future use.

I know a lot of people here will tell you a lot of bad things about the
GCF PT or TP filters. But probably none of those people actually used
them to solve a specific problem. I have first hand experience and for
me, they're working great.

Steve