I don't think I would use one for an engine filter, but they seem to
be well suited to polishing.

My Yanmar distributor said that using any filter less than 30 micron
would void my warranty.

Doug

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:XL2xb.53016$xV6.46931@lakeread04...
Mastry, my Yanmar distributor, does not like the paper towel filters AT
ALL.

Doug Dotson wrote:

I'n not convinced that these paper towel filter elements are a great
thing. When I pull a sheet off of a roll I can usually notice a fine
dust if I look close.

Doug

"Keith" wrote in message
...

See http://www.trawlerworld.com/features_06.htm for a good polishing

system

based on the Gulf Coast F-1 filter and Walbro pump. I installed one like
this on my Krogen and love it.

"Rufus" wrote in message
news:ORTwb.231078$9E1.1259476@attbi_s52...

goggle "fuel polishing lv-ab" for starters

Doug Dotson wrote:


I am designing a fuel polishing and transfer system. My thought
is to use valves to route fuel from any tank to any tank. No
problem with that part. I want to be able to just transfer fuel
or switch in a filter to polish the fuel while transferring. Since
I can select the same tank for source and destination, I can
polish fuel in place as well. The problem comes with the selection
of a pump. I was looking at a Groco or Jabsco pump which seems
good for transfer purposes, but way exceeds the flowrate of the
filter when polishing. A Walbro fuel pump (which I have as a priming
pump now) seems like a good fit for polishing (33 GPH) but will be

slow

when just transferring fuel. What happens when a 5.5 GPM pump
(Jabsco) is pushing fuel through a filter rated at 60 GPH (RACOR 500)?

Thanks!
Doug
s/v Callista








--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

I did the reversing pump so I can select which main to draw from when
filling the day tank from the nav station. Once I get an accurate
measure of the flow rate I can calibrate a timer to transfer an exact
amount of fuel to the day tank. That should simplify fuel management.
Just set the timer, make a log entry and forget it.

I see my set up not so much as a fuel polishing system as a pre-filter.
As a practical matter, full polishing is rather rarely required.
When I do get a gunked up load I will just have set it to recirculate
and sacrifice a filter. I understand that Parker/Racor makes a
washable diesel filter but I can't find any data on it.

Doug Dotson wrote:

Sounds like a good system. I've designed mine so that a reversing
pump is not necessary, and I can switch the filter in or out. The
idea is that bypassing the filter I can transfer fuel faster if the
fuel is already clean. One poster mentioned that Raycor type filters
don;t make good polishing filters because they are surface filters and
clog up quickly. The paper towel and toilet paper types are better
for polishing. I was always thinking of using Raycors but now I have to
do some more research.

Doug

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:nZ%wb.52966$xV6.15766@lakeread04...

Doug,

I have been through this myself. Actually you do have more of a filter
problem than a pump problem. The 500 is just to small for a practical
polishing system. You need a 1000 at a minimum.

The smallest transfer pumps (Reverso) are rated at 180 GPH at zero head
which is the max rating for the 1000. Racor says that when you get
close to the max rating the turbine can scour water out of the bowl but
you have head loss in the piping and the filter itself so the actual
flow will be somewhat below the max rating. It would take four 1000's
to keep up with a Jabsco VR050 and two to handle a Groco SP06.

While the Reverso filters can handle up to 15 PSI, Reverso incourages
upstream installation to avoid the possibilities of pressureized leakage
and slightly better filtering performance.

My system consist of 40 gal port and stbd mains and a 30 gal "day" tank.
The mains have Racor 1000s on their pickup lines and there is no
external fill for the day tank. Any fuel reaching it has to go through
a filter first. I am using the Reverso GP301 3 GPM reversable with four
check valves and two 3-way selector valves.

By changing the direction of the pump rotation I can pull from either
main tank and with one 3-way selector can route the output to any of the
three tanks. The second 3-way allows me to bypass the day tank and pull
from either of the mains should the Reverso crap out. With this
arangement I can fill the day tank with freshly filtered fuel, polish a
single tank or move fuel to the windward tank for trim. Whenever fuel
moves it gets filtered.



Doug Dotson wrote:

I am designing a fuel polishing and transfer system. My thought
is to use valves to route fuel from any tank to any tank. No
problem with that part. I want to be able to just transfer fuel
or switch in a filter to polish the fuel while transferring. Since
I can select the same tank for source and destination, I can
polish fuel in place as well. The problem comes with the selection
of a pump. I was looking at a Groco or Jabsco pump which seems
good for transfer purposes, but way exceeds the flowrate of the
filter when polishing. A Walbro fuel pump (which I have as a priming
pump now) seems like a good fit for polishing (33 GPH) but will be slow
when just transferring fuel. What happens when a 5.5 GPM pump
(Jabsco) is pushing fuel through a filter rated at 60 GPH (RACOR 500)?

Thanks!
Doug
s/v Callista




--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com





--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

I did the reversing pump so I can select which main to draw from when
filling the day tank from the nav station. Once I get an accurate
measure of the flow rate I can calibrate a timer to transfer an exact
amount of fuel to the day tank. That should simplify fuel management.
Just set the timer, make a log entry and forget it.

I see my set up not so much as a fuel polishing system as a pre-filter.
As a practical matter, full polishing is rather rarely required.
When I do get a gunked up load I will just have set it to recirculate
and sacrifice a filter. I understand that Parker/Racor makes a
washable diesel filter but I can't find any data on it.

Doug Dotson wrote:

Sounds like a good system. I've designed mine so that a reversing
pump is not necessary, and I can switch the filter in or out. The
idea is that bypassing the filter I can transfer fuel faster if the
fuel is already clean. One poster mentioned that Raycor type filters
don;t make good polishing filters because they are surface filters and
clog up quickly. The paper towel and toilet paper types are better
for polishing. I was always thinking of using Raycors but now I have to
do some more research.

Doug

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:nZ%wb.52966$xV6.15766@lakeread04...

Doug,

I have been through this myself. Actually you do have more of a filter
problem than a pump problem. The 500 is just to small for a practical
polishing system. You need a 1000 at a minimum.

The smallest transfer pumps (Reverso) are rated at 180 GPH at zero head
which is the max rating for the 1000. Racor says that when you get
close to the max rating the turbine can scour water out of the bowl but
you have head loss in the piping and the filter itself so the actual
flow will be somewhat below the max rating. It would take four 1000's
to keep up with a Jabsco VR050 and two to handle a Groco SP06.

While the Reverso filters can handle up to 15 PSI, Reverso incourages
upstream installation to avoid the possibilities of pressureized leakage
and slightly better filtering performance.

My system consist of 40 gal port and stbd mains and a 30 gal "day" tank.
The mains have Racor 1000s on their pickup lines and there is no
external fill for the day tank. Any fuel reaching it has to go through
a filter first. I am using the Reverso GP301 3 GPM reversable with four
check valves and two 3-way selector valves.

By changing the direction of the pump rotation I can pull from either
main tank and with one 3-way selector can route the output to any of the
three tanks. The second 3-way allows me to bypass the day tank and pull
from either of the mains should the Reverso crap out. With this
arangement I can fill the day tank with freshly filtered fuel, polish a
single tank or move fuel to the windward tank for trim. Whenever fuel
moves it gets filtered.



Doug Dotson wrote:

I am designing a fuel polishing and transfer system. My thought
is to use valves to route fuel from any tank to any tank. No
problem with that part. I want to be able to just transfer fuel
or switch in a filter to polish the fuel while transferring. Since
I can select the same tank for source and destination, I can
polish fuel in place as well. The problem comes with the selection
of a pump. I was looking at a Groco or Jabsco pump which seems
good for transfer purposes, but way exceeds the flowrate of the
filter when polishing. A Walbro fuel pump (which I have as a priming
pump now) seems like a good fit for polishing (33 GPH) but will be slow
when just transferring fuel. What happens when a 5.5 GPM pump
(Jabsco) is pushing fuel through a filter rated at 60 GPH (RACOR 500)?

Thanks!
Doug
s/v Callista




--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com





--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: Glenn Ashmore

Glenn, are you getting any of our calls and Emails?

Capt. Bill

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: Glenn Ashmore

Glenn, are you getting any of our calls and Emails?

Capt. Bill

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

See below.

"LaBomba182" wrote in message
...
Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

I am designing a fuel polishing and transfer system. My thought
is to use valves to route fuel from any tank to any tank. No
problem with that part. I want to be able to just transfer fuel
or switch in a filter to polish the fuel while transferring. Since
I can select the same tank for source and destination, I can
polish fuel in place as well. The problem comes with the selection
of a pump. I was looking at a Groco or Jabsco pump which seems
good for transfer purposes, but way exceeds the flowrate of the
filter when polishing. A Walbro fuel pump (which I have as a priming
pump now) seems like a good fit for polishing (33 GPH) but will be slow
when just transferring fuel. What happens when a 5.5 GPM pump
(Jabsco) is pushing fuel through a filter rated at 60 GPH (RACOR 500)?

Why not just ask Racor?
http://www.parker.com/ead/cm1.asp?cmid=392

It's not a filter question.


Sure it is. It's all interrelated.


And I believe Racors are designed to be drawn through not pushed into.
Again, ask Racor.

From experts I know, pushing fuel through a filter is more efficient.

Yes, but with what type of filter system?
If the filter system is not designed to be "pushed through" you may have a
problem. It may effect the coalescing action.
That's why I said "ask Racor".
Or are they to "experts" you are speaking of?

And fuel "polishing" is a joke IMHO.

And you would be wrong.

Not based on the fact that most people seem to only run their system (if they
have one) or have a company "polish" their fuel at the dock.


Unless the fuel in the tank/s is well stirred up all you are doing is
filtering
what is already clean, settled out fuel.

Well, in an ideal world. Perhaps drawing the fuel into to polishing system
lower
in the tank than that feeding the engine.

You're still just drawing fuel out of one baffeled area of the tank. Unless you
can get all the fuel in the tank stired up really well you are not doing a very
good job of "polishing" it.

Capt. Bill

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

See below.

"LaBomba182" wrote in message
...
Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

I am designing a fuel polishing and transfer system. My thought
is to use valves to route fuel from any tank to any tank. No
problem with that part. I want to be able to just transfer fuel
or switch in a filter to polish the fuel while transferring. Since
I can select the same tank for source and destination, I can
polish fuel in place as well. The problem comes with the selection
of a pump. I was looking at a Groco or Jabsco pump which seems
good for transfer purposes, but way exceeds the flowrate of the
filter when polishing. A Walbro fuel pump (which I have as a priming
pump now) seems like a good fit for polishing (33 GPH) but will be slow
when just transferring fuel. What happens when a 5.5 GPM pump
(Jabsco) is pushing fuel through a filter rated at 60 GPH (RACOR 500)?

Why not just ask Racor?
http://www.parker.com/ead/cm1.asp?cmid=392

It's not a filter question.


Sure it is. It's all interrelated.


And I believe Racors are designed to be drawn through not pushed into.
Again, ask Racor.

From experts I know, pushing fuel through a filter is more efficient.

Yes, but with what type of filter system?
If the filter system is not designed to be "pushed through" you may have a
problem. It may effect the coalescing action.
That's why I said "ask Racor".
Or are they to "experts" you are speaking of?

And fuel "polishing" is a joke IMHO.

And you would be wrong.

Not based on the fact that most people seem to only run their system (if they
have one) or have a company "polish" their fuel at the dock.


Unless the fuel in the tank/s is well stirred up all you are doing is
filtering
what is already clean, settled out fuel.

Well, in an ideal world. Perhaps drawing the fuel into to polishing system
lower
in the tank than that feeding the engine.

You're still just drawing fuel out of one baffeled area of the tank. Unless you
can get all the fuel in the tank stired up really well you are not doing a very
good job of "polishing" it.

Capt. Bill

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

One poster mentioned that Raycor type filters
don;t make good polishing filters because they are surface filters and
clog up quickly.

Well, they would be wrong.
Like Glenn said, you need to use the right size filter for the job.

The paper towel and toilet paper types are better
for polishing.

Yeah no doubt. Things designed to wipe your kitchen counter and wipe your ass
will beat a Racor for filtering fuel everytime.

Next you'll be adding an Algea-X into the mix. :-)


Capt. Bill

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: "Doug Dotson"

One poster mentioned that Raycor type filters
don;t make good polishing filters because they are surface filters and
clog up quickly.

Well, they would be wrong.
Like Glenn said, you need to use the right size filter for the job.

The paper towel and toilet paper types are better
for polishing.

Yeah no doubt. Things designed to wipe your kitchen counter and wipe your ass
will beat a Racor for filtering fuel everytime.

Next you'll be adding an Algea-X into the mix. :-)


Capt. Bill

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: (LaBomba182)
Date: 11/26/03 10:29 AM Eastern

Subject: Fuel transfer/polishing pump
From: Glenn Ashmore

Glenn, are you getting any of our calls and Emails?


Got it. Call when you are "free". :-)

Capt. Bill