On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:46:45 -0600, Rick Morel
wrote:

1. Output characteristics:
Wave form: Complex shaped pulse
Pulse rate: 19 PPS
Pulse duration: 100 microseconds
The trigger activates a 5-second cycle. The cycle can be
stopped by placing the safety lever in the “S” position.
Peak open circuit arcing voltage: 50,000 V
Peak loaded voltage: 1,200 V
Current: 2.1 mA average

Rick, there's a problem with your statistics centered around 2.1 mA
**average**.

I assume they mean the average over 1 second or greater since that
would be typical.

You've got a pulsed output at 19 pulses per second, 100 microseconds
per pulse, giving a total "on" duration of 1.9 milliseconds per
second, or roughly 1/500th of a second. That implies a peak current
of close to 1 amp in each pulse. 1 amp continuously will cause death
very quickly which is why they are pulsing it.

None of this has anything to do with boats or cruising of course.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:54:10 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:46:45 -0600, Rick Morel
wrote:

1. Output characteristics:
Wave form: Complex shaped pulse
Pulse rate: 19 PPS
Pulse duration: 100 microseconds
The trigger activates a 5-second cycle. The cycle can be
stopped by placing the safety lever in the “S” position.
Peak open circuit arcing voltage: 50,000 V
Peak loaded voltage: 1,200 V
Current: 2.1 mA average

Rick, there's a problem with your statistics centered around 2.1 mA
**average**.

I assume they mean the average over 1 second or greater since that
would be typical.

You've got a pulsed output at 19 pulses per second, 100 microseconds
per pulse, giving a total "on" duration of 1.9 milliseconds per
second, or roughly 1/500th of a second. That implies a peak current
of close to 1 amp in each pulse. 1 amp continuously will cause death
very quickly which is why they are pulsing it.

Well, the specs are direct from the manufacturer. As I recall from the
class "average" in that spec refers to the average under load, which
of course varies depending on the persons conductivity and where
he/she was hit by the barbs.

BTW 1 Joule = 1 Watt Second (how convenient!). So that .07 Joules is
..07 Watt Seconds with is .058 MA or 58 Micro Amps in a second, which
if delivered in 1.9 milliseconds per second would be 29.16 MA. Using
that logic. Of course the waveform is not a constant amplitude square
wave. I'm trying to remember, but it did have a specific waveform and
does vary.

None of this has anything to do with boats or cruising of course.

No, but it's almost as much fun as dragging a little old 80 year old
lady out of a car, throwing her onto the dirty concrete, popping her a
few times with the baton, spray her with OC pepper spray, then
Tasering her, all the while the unit cam is running so we can play it
back at the station over and over.

OF COURSE I'M KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!

Rick

"Rick Morel" wrote in message
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Well, the specs are direct from the manufacturer. As I recall from the
class "average" in that spec refers to the average under load, which
of course varies depending on the persons conductivity and where
he/she was hit by the barbs.

BTW 1 Joule = 1 Watt Second (how convenient!). So that .07 Joules is
.07 Watt Seconds with is .058 MA or 58 Micro Amps in a second, which
if delivered in 1.9 milliseconds per second would be 29.16 MA. Using
that logic. Of course the waveform is not a constant amplitude square
wave. I'm trying to remember, but it did have a specific waveform and
does vary.

None of this has anything to do with boats or cruising of course.

No, but it's almost as much fun as dragging a little old 80 year old
lady out of a car, throwing her onto the dirty concrete, popping her a
few times with the baton, spray her with OC pepper spray, then
Tasering her, all the while the unit cam is running so we can play it
back at the station over and over.

OF COURSE I'M KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!

Rick

Rick, one of the things that concerns me is from your previous post in which
you said that, during Tazer training, some of the cops made comments such as
"When are you going to turn it on?" while others were left screaming.
Doesn't this indicate that the impact of being Tazed is wholly subjective,
and that what might be a mild tickle to one person might be sheer agony to
another? Seems to me that by calling the Tazer a "safe" way to enforce
compliance from us mere Citizens, it is inevitable that some of us will, in
fact, be "tortured," and someone, sooner or later, is going to be killed.
But if it prevents a cop from getting bruised, I guess that's a small price
to pay.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:29:34 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

Rick, one of the things that concerns me is from your previous post in which
you said that, during Tazer training, some of the cops made comments such as
"When are you going to turn it on?" while others were left screaming.
Doesn't this indicate that the impact of being Tazed is wholly subjective,
and that what might be a mild tickle to one person might be sheer agony to
another? Seems to me that by calling the Tazer a "safe" way to enforce
compliance from us mere Citizens, it is inevitable that some of us will, in
fact, be "tortured," and someone, sooner or later, is going to be killed.
But if it prevents a cop from getting bruised, I guess that's a small price
to pay.

Well, pain is one of the concepts behind controlling the subject. In
fact there's a whole class on "pain compliance". In surveys of
officers going through the training every one of them, even the Tased
screaming ones (remember the screaming and flopping is a result of the
electrical stimulation, not from pain or concious effort), stated if
given a choice they would choose being Tased over OC spray. Man, Taser
me 10 times in a row instead of OC in the eyes!!! Now that is some BAD
stuff, but even with OC a very few are totally unaffected and some are
really hurting and suffer physical "burn" injury. OC is OleoCapasin
(SP?), or pepper in a solution. Some sprays are OC and CS (tear gas).
Let me see if I remember right. The hottest Jalpino pepper (I KNOW SP
is wrong) is 5,000 S Units; OTC spray for civilians is 500,000 SU and
law enforcement is up to 5,000,000 SU. (The latter two might be 50,000
and 500,000???) Anyway it's strong stuff.

Getting hit with a baton hurts pretty much too. Hurts some more than
others. BTW, batons are used only on specific strike pressure points
to disable, not to injure. A fist in the gut will disable some in
agonizing pain, while others will laugh it off. And everything in
between. Pain itself is wholly subjective. Thing is pain is a
byproduct of the Taser and it's designed to minimize that pain as much
as possible. We all wish there was a spray you could use from up to 30
feet or so that would instantly "knock out" someone painlessly for at
least 10 seconds. Maybe one day....

I've got to protest the term "tortured". Torture is deliberatly
inflicting extreme pain for gain, ie to get information, or for the
torturer's pleasure or for punishment. Torture is illegal in the US
and most places.

As above pain is a tool, however it's administered. A tool that is
only used when necessary and then only as much pain as required. The
Taser in most cases is the least painful. Recovery is instant after
the power goes off, unlike spray which requires decontaminating. It's
not used on "mere citizens", it's used on people who are presenting a
danger to the officer, others or themselves. Cops, just like everyone
else, don't like "getting bruised". Also getting broken, stabbed,
concussed, blunt trama'ed or killed. Our goal is to go home at the end
of shift.

Tasers have saved lives. Of the subject. In cases where an officer, in
multiple officer situations, had a Taser and the subject threatened
and/or acted upon deadly force. ie the subject had a knife or a
baseball bat or an axe. No Taser = gun and use of deadly force.

I'm not saying Tasers are perfect or ideal. They're good tools in the
proper situation, just as are all the tools of the trade. You'd no
more use a Taser on a falling down drunk than you'd use a storm jib on
a 5-knot day.

Gotta' go for a bit. I've got to hit work in the middle of the night
and do a bunch of overtime.

Rick

Rick Morel wrote in
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Gotta' go for a bit. I've got to hit work in the middle of the night
and do a bunch of overtime.


And, people, here is where we're headed.....compliments of FEMA

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...entration+camp

Larry
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Larry wrote:
Rick Morel wrote in
:


Gotta' go for a bit. I've got to hit work in the middle of the night
and do a bunch of overtime.



And, people, here is where we're headed.....compliments of FEMA

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...entration+camp

Larry

Black stealth helicopters....

xorbit wrote in :

Black stealth helicopters....



Oh? You've been watching the videos of the World Trade Center collapse,
too? They were flying around the top of the building, probably where the
explosives were set off from.

Larry
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmc...elated&search=

"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Seems to me that by calling the Tazer a "safe" way to enforce
compliance from us mere Citizens, it is inevitable that some of us
will, in fact, be "tortured," and someone, sooner or later, is going
to be killed.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...t_x.htm?csp=34
"PHOENIX (AP) — There were 103 Taser stun gun-related deaths in the
United States and Canada between June 2001 and March 2005, according to
an Amnesty International report released Friday.
In the first three months of this year, there were 13 Taser-related
deaths — compared with six during the same period last year, the report
said.

The stun guns have been touted as less lethal than other ways of subduing
combative people in high-risk situations, but Tasers have come under
increasing scrutiny as a number of deaths have been blamed, at least
partially, on the devices.

"No confrontation is risk free. The Taser is the safest way to end
violent confrontations for law enforcement," Taser International Inc.
President Tom Smith said Thursday."

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...les/0718taser-
main18.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/j...guns_9-15.html
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../02/25/1455244

Oh, hell, put Taser Deaths into Google and see for yourselves.
How many hundreds do the cops have to kill before it becomes a "lethal
weapon"?

Larry
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmc...elated&search=

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Seems to me that by calling the Tazer a "safe" way to enforce
compliance from us mere Citizens, it is inevitable that some of us
will, in fact, be "tortured," and someone, sooner or later, is going
to be killed.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...t_x.htm?csp=34
"PHOENIX (AP) — There were 103 Taser stun gun-related deaths in the
United States and Canada between June 2001 and March 2005, according to
an Amnesty International report released Friday.
In the first three months of this year, there were 13 Taser-related
deaths — compared with six during the same period last year, the report
said.

The stun guns have been touted as less lethal than other ways of subduing
combative people in high-risk situations, but Tasers have come under
increasing scrutiny as a number of deaths have been blamed, at least
partially, on the devices.

"No confrontation is risk free. The Taser is the safest way to end
violent confrontations for law enforcement," Taser International Inc.
President Tom Smith said Thursday."

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...les/0718taser-
main18.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/j...guns_9-15.html
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../02/25/1455244

Oh, hell, put Taser Deaths into Google and see for yourselves.
How many hundreds do the cops have to kill before it becomes a "lethal
weapon"?

Larry
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmc...elated&search=

If the cops say it's "the safest way to end violent confrontations FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT," then that's gotta be true. Especially in a Police State.

Thanks for the Aaron Russo link, by the way. That's the first time I've ever
watched an entire film on YouTube, but worth every minute of it.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Thanks for the Aaron Russo link, by the way. That's the first time
I've ever watched an entire film on YouTube, but worth every minute of
it.



Try a little test around town. Ask randomly selected people you happen
to be standing in line with if they think the US Government prints their
money. 99.99% think it's government money, not private money.

This Freemasonic bank corporation is part of the "New World Order" to
enslave us, which it has already accomplished. Look at the $1 bill.....

On the back, disguised as the "Great Seal of the United States" and put
on the money during FDR's reign (32nd degree mason) is the "All Seeing
Eye" on the "Unfinished Pyramid" of world control. Complete the upside
down triangle of the 6-pointed Star of David the Pyramid-Eye is half of.
The other triangle's top horizontal line is right under the eye with its
point touching the circle at the bottom. Look at the 5 letters the
points point to: M-A-S-O-N Do you know what it says in Latin on the
left circle? Announcing the beginning of - The New World Order. This
was in the 1940's, remember, FDR was in control.

On the other side of the seal on the right, the eagle has 32 feathers on
one wing (32nd degree masonry), and 33 feathers of the super freemasons
on the right. It has the symbolic 13 arrow, 13 tailfeathers and 13
leaves in its grasp. This is no coincidence, it's masonic symbols on our
money, the real power above the politicians. The star field above the
eagle is another 6-pointed Star of David if you connect them and leave
off the middle star.

13 is an important number. Run Google Earth and center it on the White
House, Freemasonry's seat of control. Now, fly Google Earth 13 blocks
out the White House's front door, 13 is important, remember. 13 blocks N
of the White House is the Supreme Council of the United States, the
headquarters of Freemasonry in America. Take a trip EAST of the White
House and you'll find another masonic monument, the statue of the only
Confederate General in Washington, DC. It's not important that he was a
Confederate General. What's important is the statue is of Albert Pike,
who started Freemasonry in America and was responsible for Washington,
DC, the Freemasonry capital of the New World Order. Straight out the
back door of the White House, of course, is the largest Freemason symbol
in the city, The Phallus of Osirus euphamistically called the "Washington
Monument". That's OK, Washington was a 32nd degree Freemason. It
reminds the current occupant of the White House who is in control because
it looks down on him in his bedroom. He can see it from his bed while
he's got the job.

Now, pan Google Earth back higher and let's look at the streets out the
front door of the White House. There are 4 strategically-placed traffic
circles connected with streets from the White House, with the White House
as the base. Print out this view and connect the White House to the 4
traffic circles. Connect each traffic Circle to all the other 4 traffic
circles. Draw a circle around all 5 points and what do you get?
Hmm...is that a PENTAGRAM symbol? Another coincidence? The Pentagon is
another pentagram symbol of our Evil Empire, itself. Connect the points
with lines across the center courtyard walls. Any questions?

I got this pointed out to me from some other interesting documentaries
which were posted to alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries over the past
few years. Wait until you see the last Freemason's stroke of genius, the
brand new Israeli Supreme Court building! That whole place is a masonic
temple, complete with all seeing eye, pyramids, floors and walls with the
black and white checkerboards and on and on. Coincidence?

Mayer Rothchild was quoted in Russo's documentary and it's probably the
most important statement of the whole film: "Give me control of a
nations money supply and I care not who makes its laws." It's why the
Federal Reserve Corporation was conceived.

The only recent President not a Freemason was JFK. He was replaced with
two Freemasons, including LBJ, regaining control. Most people don't know
about why JFK had to die in Dealey Plaza in Dallas. Take Google Earth to
a closeup of Dealey Plaza and look for another Phallus of Osirus EXACTLY
EAST of where Kennedy was shot to death FROM THE FRONT.....on the 32nd
parallel.....in front of the "Grassy Knoll". Know why it's a knoll? Its
where the original Texas Freemasonic Temple was located. Kennedy was
killed in front of its front door! Coincidence?? NOT. It was a warning
to others who followed him.

Just like 9-11, there's just too many "coincidences"

Larry
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmc...elated&search=

PS - All our power politicians and the filthy rich are members of
Bohemian Grove, a satanic cult in Northern California. The membership
list goes on and on, the real power in the country...govt, industry,
science, etc. Bohemian Grove's phallic symbol is an owl they burn in a
satanic ritual you can also find on YouTube. This BG symbol is also on
your ONE DOLLAR BILL! See if you can find it and I'll post a reply
showing you where it is after I come back from work......(c;