Doug Dotson wrote:

Jere,

We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash
removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and
that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or two
for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill
a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water
as long as the rate is fair.

Doug

"...as long as the rate is fair." is the operative phrase. When they try
to charge $1 for a shopping bag of trash, though?..... Or $5 to fill up
our 25 gallons of water? or $5 or more to charge our batteries?
(absolute max we could accept over 24 hours would be 3 kwh...) That gets
annoying pretty quickly.

As to why the marina should bear the cost: business! I won't go to a
marina that has such policies except as a last resort and will buy only
the absolute minimum if I have to go there. For instance, when we visit
the Oxford area, we save our shopping & such for Cambridge. That's
typically $1-200 that we don't contribute to Oxford's economy.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
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Jere,

Unfortunately, contributing money or not to Oxford's economy has
no impact on the marina that has to pay real money to have their
trash hauled away. Belhaven, NC has a real nice dingy dock and
trash recepticles for cruiser trash. All of it is paid for by by the city.
That is the way it should be for towns that have nearby anchorages
and benefit from cruisers that contribute to the local economy.
But, many achorages near marinas have no reasonable access to
anything but the marina itself. Even if a visitor to the marina buys
lots of stuff, the cost of trash disposal, water, etc still comes off
their bottom line.

Doug

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
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Doug Dotson wrote:

Jere,

We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash
removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied
and
that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or
two
for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill
a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water
as long as the rate is fair.

Doug

"...as long as the rate is fair." is the operative phrase. When they try
to charge $1 for a shopping bag of trash, though?..... Or $5 to fill up
our 25 gallons of water? or $5 or more to charge our batteries?
(absolute max we could accept over 24 hours would be 3 kwh...) That gets
annoying pretty quickly.

As to why the marina should bear the cost: business! I won't go to a
marina that has such policies except as a last resort and will buy only
the absolute minimum if I have to go there. For instance, when we visit
the Oxford area, we save our shopping & such for Cambridge. That's
typically $1-200 that we don't contribute to Oxford's economy.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Welll...all I can say is, I'll be damned. 'Cuz this is the first I've
heard of ANY marina in the US charging for water. I can understand
charging to drop your garbage off--although in fairness, that ought to
be by the pound--dumpster service is expensive... And I can also
understand why marinas that aren't connected to a sewer charging for a
second pumpout to rinse out a tank, 'cuz pumper trucks cost even more
than dumpster trucks. But do these same marinas also charge to hose fuel
or pumpout drips off your boat?

Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Peggie,

The dumpster companies don't charge by weight so that doesn't
really make sense. They charge per pickup which is generally on
a schedule or when the client requests. The only savings the client
has is to wait until it is really full. Something you can see on a busy
weekend when the trash is piled all around the dumpster. Once
the dumpster is emptied, the client has to toss all the stuff piled
around in for the next pickup. More money invested by the marina
for no return. Max cost per pumpout is dictated by the FEDs since
most of the pumpouts were installed via grants and last
I knew it was $5. Rinsing is just part of the process. Charging for
drips is just silly I believe.

Doug

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Welll...all I can say is, I'll be damned. 'Cuz this is the first I've
heard of ANY marina in the US charging for water. I can understand
charging to drop your garbage off--although in fairness, that ought to
be by the pound--dumpster service is expensive... And I can also
understand why marinas that aren't connected to a sewer charging for a
second pumpout to rinse out a tank, 'cuz pumper trucks cost even more
than dumpster trucks. But do these same marinas also charge to hose fuel
or pumpout drips off your boat?

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Doug Dotson wrote:


Max cost per pumpout is dictated by the FEDs since
most of the pumpouts were installed via grants and last
I knew it was $5.

That's how it's supposed to work anyway...but no one is monitoring it
and the marinas who can get away with charging more are.

Rinsing is just part of the process. Charging for
drips is just silly I believe.

Rinsing off, yes...but I was referring to rinsing out the tank by adding
some water to it after pumpout to stir up any sludge and pumping that
out. A LOT of marinas charge for a second pumpout to rinse out the tank,
even if only a few gallons of water go into the tank. My own YC did (and
I assume still does).

Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Peggie Hall wrote:

Welll...all I can say is, I'll be damned. 'Cuz this is the first I've
heard of ANY marina in the US charging for water.

Not many, and all that I mentioned have easy access to city water. I
agree with fair and reasonable charges for water that has to be made,
trucked or shipped, BUT they charge more for city water than RO in the
islands.

All are in so-called "premium" destinations though they're services are
only average, so my best guess is that they're simply charging what the
market will bear for whatever they can get away with for as long as they
can.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
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