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In Virginia, marinas are not allowed to make a profit on electricity.
They can only charge for their cost to distribute plus their cost from the utility. I wonder if that goes for water and/or trash too. Ron |
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Ron Thornton wrote:
In Virginia, marinas are not allowed to make a profit on electricity. They can only charge for their cost to distribute plus their cost from the utility. That may have to do with the source of their electricity. If it's supplied by an electric cooperative--which are common in rural areas, neither the co-op nor its customers are allowed to make a profit...as you said, they can only pass along their actual costs. I learned about the differences between public utility power companies and electric co-ops about 10 years ago when a marina in on Lanier in GA who had been marking up their power bills to slip holders had to decrease the price--and, IIRC, also had to credit their accounts for at a portion of the amounts they'd been over-charging 'em. I wonder if that goes for water and/or trash too. Unlikely unless also supplied by a co-op. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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"Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't think you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and
very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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Marina question
No co-op here. Only Dominion Power. I think it has to do with the way
utilities are licensed and regulated. Ron |
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Doug,
I'll second that, Bucksport was great. We stopped there in January on the way home to NC from FL. The dockage was cheap and so was the fuel. The meal we had at the restaraunt was the best one we have had yet and we were the only ones there. They treated us like part of the family. Phil "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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x-no-archive:yes "Doug Dotson" wrote:
Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. I've never been there - the docks look pretty rickety to me. I've heard it recommended for the sausage, but I don't like sausage so I've never tried it. We usually go to Wacca Wachee just a bit down from there. Last time we went we got a ride over to Brookgreen Gardens. Leland Marine in McClellansville is also pretty cheap, but they have fixed docks and a 6 foot tide. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ grandma Rosalie |
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Speaking of trash..
I was surprised then they wanted to charge me $3.50 for a small bag of trash at the dock at Deer Harbor in the San Juans, WA. It these local communities want to encourage visits by boater and want these boaters to refrain from tossing trash in the water or in the woods, there shouldn't be any charge for trash. -- My opinion and experience. FWIW Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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But then the marina would have to get the city to pay to have the
trash hauled out of the marina. The marina charges because they have to pay to get rid of your trash. If the local communties want to encourage visits, then they have to somehow help defray the costs incurred by the marina for such visits. In the case of trash, someone has to pay the trash company for their services. Marina, city, or cruiser. Who produces the trash, so who should to pay to dispose of it? I have to pay for it where I live, so why should I expect someone else to pay for it if I need to get rid of it where I travel? Doug s/v Callista "Steve" wrote in message ... Speaking of trash.. I was surprised then they wanted to charge me $3.50 for a small bag of trash at the dock at Deer Harbor in the San Juans, WA. It these local communities want to encourage visits by boater and want these boaters to refrain from tossing trash in the water or in the woods, there shouldn't be any charge for trash. -- My opinion and experience. FWIW Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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