Mike wrote:
I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some
questions on Marina use.

If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water...

I assume you mean pump out the waste holding tank. Toilet waste is black
water...gray water is shower, bath and galley sink water, which isn't
held (except on two inland lakes and some specifically designated areas
of the FLKeys National Marine Sanctuary), but drains directly overboard.
"No discharge" laws pertain only to toilet waste.


and
fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above
the price of gas?

Some marinas charge extra for pumpout...I know of none that charge for
fresh water.

Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward
and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except
Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to
ferry in in jerry cans.
Kelton
s/v Isle Escape

Peggie Hall wrote:
Mike wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some
questions on Marina use.

If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water...


I assume you mean pump out the waste holding tank. Toilet waste is black
water...gray water is shower, bath and galley sink water, which isn't
held (except on two inland lakes and some specifically designated areas
of the FLKeys National Marine Sanctuary), but drains directly overboard.
"No discharge" laws pertain only to toilet waste.


and
fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above
the price of gas?


Some marinas charge extra for pumpout...I know of none that charge for
fresh water.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Kelton Joyner wrote:
Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward
and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except
Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to
ferry in in jerry cans.
Kelton
s/v Isle Escape

Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only
thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if he
was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about
marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water?

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

North Palm Beach marina charges for water unless you
buy $15 worth of gas. The charge is only $5 for as much water
as you want though. We came across several other marinas
along the ICW that had similar policies.

Doug

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Kelton Joyner wrote:
Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward
and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except
Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to
ferry in in jerry cans.
Kelton
s/v Isle Escape

Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only
thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if he
was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about
marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water?

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Peggie Hall wrote:

Kelton Joyner wrote:

Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands,
Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to
$0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the
spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans.
Kelton
s/v Isle Escape


Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only
thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if
he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about
marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water?

Unluckily, yes. Annapolis (forget name of place) started charging this
season and I believe St. Michaels' City Dock was charging. Some of the
uppity ones are charging for trash, or at least being nasty about it.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Jere,

We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash
removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and
that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or two
for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill
a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water
as long as the rate is fair.

Doug

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news
Peggie Hall wrote:

Kelton Joyner wrote:

Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands,
Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to
$0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the
spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans.
Kelton
s/v Isle Escape


Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only
thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if
he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about
marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water?

Unluckily, yes. Annapolis (forget name of place) started charging this
season and I believe St. Michaels' City Dock was charging. Some of the
uppity ones are charging for trash, or at least being nasty about it.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Doug Dotson wrote:

Jere,

We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash
removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and
that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or two
for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill
a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water
as long as the rate is fair.

Doug

"...as long as the rate is fair." is the operative phrase. When they try
to charge $1 for a shopping bag of trash, though?..... Or $5 to fill up
our 25 gallons of water? or $5 or more to charge our batteries?
(absolute max we could accept over 24 hours would be 3 kwh...) That gets
annoying pretty quickly.

As to why the marina should bear the cost: business! I won't go to a
marina that has such policies except as a last resort and will buy only
the absolute minimum if I have to go there. For instance, when we visit
the Oxford area, we save our shopping & such for Cambridge. That's
typically $1-200 that we don't contribute to Oxford's economy.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Jere,

Unfortunately, contributing money or not to Oxford's economy has
no impact on the marina that has to pay real money to have their
trash hauled away. Belhaven, NC has a real nice dingy dock and
trash recepticles for cruiser trash. All of it is paid for by by the city.
That is the way it should be for towns that have nearby anchorages
and benefit from cruisers that contribute to the local economy.
But, many achorages near marinas have no reasonable access to
anything but the marina itself. Even if a visitor to the marina buys
lots of stuff, the cost of trash disposal, water, etc still comes off
their bottom line.

Doug

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
...
Doug Dotson wrote:

Jere,

We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash
removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied
and
that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or
two
for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill
a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water
as long as the rate is fair.

Doug

"...as long as the rate is fair." is the operative phrase. When they try
to charge $1 for a shopping bag of trash, though?..... Or $5 to fill up
our 25 gallons of water? or $5 or more to charge our batteries?
(absolute max we could accept over 24 hours would be 3 kwh...) That gets
annoying pretty quickly.

As to why the marina should bear the cost: business! I won't go to a
marina that has such policies except as a last resort and will buy only
the absolute minimum if I have to go there. For instance, when we visit
the Oxford area, we save our shopping & such for Cambridge. That's
typically $1-200 that we don't contribute to Oxford's economy.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Welll...all I can say is, I'll be damned. 'Cuz this is the first I've
heard of ANY marina in the US charging for water. I can understand
charging to drop your garbage off--although in fairness, that ought to
be by the pound--dumpster service is expensive... And I can also
understand why marinas that aren't connected to a sewer charging for a
second pumpout to rinse out a tank, 'cuz pumper trucks cost even more
than dumpster trucks. But do these same marinas also charge to hose fuel
or pumpout drips off your boat?

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

I have heard that a lot of the water in the Bahamas is reverse osmosis
water. That water is not cheap to make.

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Jere,

We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash
removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and
that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or
two
for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill
a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water
as long as the rate is fair.

Doug

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news
Peggie Hall wrote:

Kelton Joyner wrote:

Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands,
Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to
$0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the
spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans.
Kelton
s/v Isle Escape


Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only
thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if
he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about
marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water?

Unluckily, yes. Annapolis (forget name of place) started charging this
season and I believe St. Michaels' City Dock was charging. Some of the
uppity ones are charging for trash, or at least being nasty about it.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/