Gordon wrote:
The most interesting part of this IMHO is the lady single hander
coming to save him! She, in a tiny Southern Cross 28 sloop, versus his
heavy steel 44' ketch.
Gordon

You've (and everyone else, have got to look at her web site). This lady is
something else.

http://www.donnalange.com

I'm not sure she has the street smarts I'd want to have to under take the
trip she's on now but she replaced a propeller all alone in the middle of
the ocean so she certainly makes up for it with other qualities. I suspect
it's no accident that her little 28 footer skated through the conditions
that killed that big, tough, 44 footer (In just 35 knots?).

We should all buy her CD to support this fellow cruiser who is doing it big
time on a shoestring. Scroll way down in her site.

--
Roger Long

Your bantering reminds me of the latest Rosie/Trump battle. Neither of
them knows when to keep their mouth shut. Just like them, you're not
gaining any respect.

-- Geoff

"NE Sailboat" wrote in
news:PG9oh.1136$us1.922@trndny04:

You still haven't convinced me.

I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take
beautiful lady friend on boat for trip to islands.

Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle..


hahahahahahahhaah


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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. .
NE Sailboat: For some reason or another you seem intent on bashing
Barnes with a lot of venom. You've posted 1/3 of the responses to
this thread and seem to be drawn to following this post. That's easy
to do when you're sitting behind a computer somewhere in the NE. You
weren't on his boat and you don't know the conditions of his systems
or of Barnes himself.

Many people set out on voyages not fully prepared for them. You over
estimate your abilities or the condition of your boat and you under
estimate the severity of the conditions that you can run in to. Many
times luck is on your side and you escape unscathed. Sometimes luck
runs against you and all hell breaks loose. I suspect that it was a
combination of the above.

I think about the 1st time that I sailed from Newport, RI to the BVIs
and I can't believe how nieve I was. Back then I had at most sailed
from RI to Florida and back and had done at most a handful of over-
nighters. Now I'm amazed at how little I knew, but I came through in
one piece.

Since then I've put on 30,000+ miles and still would doubt my
abilities to handle the conditions in the off the coast of Chile. I
have no desire to go there, call it either having the brains to know
my limits or not having the balls to undertake such an adventure.
But you have to give the guy credit for trying.

If you read the credits at the bottom of his web page it appears that
he's spent the last 4 years planning and preparing for this voyage.
One can hardly consider this a lark on his part. Things just went
bad for him. After all of this planning I doubt that he would just
abandon his boat for no real reason.

Most accidents aren't due to a single failure. They're due to
cascading events and fatigue. None of us were there and we don't
know the whole story. Right now we're relying on dribs and drabs of
info from the news media, some of which seem to be wrong. It's not
fair to criticize the guy until all of the facts come out. Even
then, it's easy to be a Monday morning skipper and say how you would
have done things differently.

-- Geoff

Roger Long wrote:
Gordon wrote:
The most interesting part of this IMHO is the lady single hander
coming to save him! She, in a tiny Southern Cross 28 sloop, versus his
heavy steel 44' ketch.
Gordon

You've (and everyone else, have got to look at her web site). This lady
is something else.

http://www.donnalange.com

I'm not sure she has the street smarts I'd want to have to under take
the trip she's on now but she replaced a propeller all alone in the
middle of the ocean so she certainly makes up for it with other
qualities. I suspect it's no accident that her little 28 footer skated
through the conditions that killed that big, tough, 44 footer (In just
35 knots?).

We should all buy her CD to support this fellow cruiser who is doing it
big time on a shoestring. Scroll way down in her site.


Actually, she TRIED several times to replace the prop but couldn't get
the key in place in the rough weather. How about where she hand steered
for three weeks with no sleep!
Gordon

Gordon wrote:

Actually, she TRIED several times to replace the prop but couldn't

Trying is as impressive as doing it in this case. I was just skimming
through the site on a friend's laptop this morning so I haven't gotten the
whole story yet.

--
Roger Long

NE Sailboat wrote:
It is reported at the end of the CBS story that he had no gash. Seems like
the gash story was something his family dreamed up.

Interesting, I heard on the BBC last night that the gash was "to the
bone". I didn't hear of any mention of the number of stiches taken,
which number is almost always mentioned by tradition when somebody gets
stitches.

The thing that struck me was that the waterline of the boat is visible
in the photo I've seen. It doesn't look like it's got a meter of water
inside.

Compare pictures of his boat to pictures of Tami Oldham's boat when it
limped into Hilo back in the 80's. She sailed it for nearly 2 months
after wrecking in a storm. I was living there when she came in, and the
boat was totally trashed.

It occurs to me that if Ken had been successful, he'd probably make the
news here and there for a couple days. Now, I'll bet he's getting
offers from the media, will be a star for quite a while, and many times
more than enough money to replace his boat.

I hope so.

NE Sailboat wrote:

Oh well,, he can go back to the babe girlfriend.

Wouldn't you?

And he probably still has plenty of money

He cleaned swimming pools for a living. One man business. If he had
plenty of money, good for him, because he worked hard for it. But I
don't know of too many people who make "plenty of money" cleaning
swimming pools.

And if all this publicity makes him rich, good on him.


But he can't sail worth ****.

Oh, I take it that you've done this yourself?

You sound jealous.

The guy who saved the other boat .. was he sailing alone also? In a Triton?

Now here is a sailor who should be getting some attention .. not the Barnes.

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"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article 6ccoh.960$2D.358@trndny07, says...


You got the wrong moral..

The moral of this story .. have a great friend like the one your friend
had.

He took it under tow for 8 days ? Wow ,, now that is something.

If a single hander gets sick and must leave his ship, then the vessel is
fair game in the salvage business isn't it?

Well, in those circumstances, salvage isn't a business, it's an
opportunity
the value of which depends entirely on the value of the vessel and its
contents. A wrecked yacht that must be towed a few hundred miles probably
has
no value. The same yacht about to go on the rocks may have considerable
value.
A large ship with a valuable cargo is another matter entirely. It's all
about
money. Some sea lawyer will have to answer but I believe the value of the
salvage charged to the owners may not exceed the actual value of the
vessel
and contents, though I do vaguely recall that there can be recompense too
for
time and materials.

The Yanmar was brand new, bought at that year's Annapolis show, to replace
a
gasoline-leaking Atomic 4. The boat (towing boat) was -- still is -- a
Triton.
Not only did he tow the other boat for 800 miles he also swam from his
boat to
the other and back to recover the owner's valuables just in case he did
have
to cut the other boat loose, which of course he would have had to do had
the
weather gone bad. He told us that swim was the scariest part of the whole
thing.

I wonder why nobody down in Chile got out to Barnes's boat.

See above.

Could have been a nice prize, I'd think.

Probably not, all things considered

Gogarty wrote in
:

In article r7coh.1211$us1.836@trndny04, says...


Cliff ,, Muff ... any difference?

Hooboy! Another lame flame retort with overtones of lewdness. Long
since run out of anything useful to say.



Nope. Just another gang warfare under the interstate bridge on the East
Side with motorcycle chains and razor blades....same as when I mentioned
Network Stumbler for laptops.

The flaming gets worse every Winter, but this year it seems as bad as I've
ever seen it.....well, maybe not THAT bad as Harry Krause on rec.boats
throwing acid in people's faces.

Everyone go get them a nice rum from the last cruise and
RELAX.....AHHHH....

"NE Sailboat" wrote in
news:PG9oh.1136$us1.922@trndny04:

I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take
beautiful lady friend on boat for trip to islands.

Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle..


hahahahahahahhaah



And if it doesn't get "chilly".....HEAD NORTH until it does!...(c;

I found a great porn video of two 20-somethings just gettin'-it-on in the
V-berth of a really nice looking yacht. They're struggling, she's
screaming and carrying on, banging her head on the overhead, the way it
oughta be!

I took it to a boat party on my laptop which I hid until they were all
drunk and rowdy. "Does anyone know these people?", I asked them while
booting it up? The drunks searched the whole marina, even the transient
dock, listening for that noise she was makin' the rest of the
night!....hee hee.

Cap'n kept looking in our V-berth, then he'd turn around and say, "Nope.
Not yet!", to the delight of the assemblage. The females especially
loved my "presentation video"...(c;

About midnight, I snuck the notebook up into the V-berth and set
Windows' scheduler to play it at loud volume in 30 minutes behind the
closed door. Very realistic....

I love dock parties.....

NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright
again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew
better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates...
I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now...

tom
p.s. I have one of the few non-shoalkeel Maurice Griffiths designs; 42
LOD, 11.96 RTons, 6'draft, kanwara is her name
=-==
From " http://www.kensolo.com/TheBoat.htm "

finally found the boat I ended up with in Brunswick, GA and trucked
her to the west coast. She is a Maurice Griffiths designed 44'
staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in
1993. She has a round chine and a 6' bowsprit. She was originally
designed as what is known as a bilge keel boat with a full keel and 16
s.f. plates on each side of the keel to allow her to stay upright when
the tide ebbs.

I had these cut off after talking with designer, Robert Perry

who agreed they were 400 lbs. each with a lot of wetted surface and
useless for my plans. She draws 5'6" and has a beam of 12' 3"
and comes in at about 50,000 lbs fully loaded for this trip. For the
last 3 + years I have been outfitting her for her new task.
=-==


NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about
Ken Barnes.

But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain
( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port?

Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some
type of repair on site?

It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail
around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well
equipped, strong, yacht.

Am I missing something?


Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done
other long trips?

Tell me where I am off course.


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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long