On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:56:06 -0800, Gordon wrote:

I don't know but I'm guessing physical and mental exhaustion may have
played a role here.

It usually does. The question is what aspects could have been avoided
with better weather routing, preparation, seamanship, equipment, etc.

With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded,
batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself?
krj

Fly a Kite? Might be a good item to have onboard.

SkySails:
http://www.skysails.info/index.php?id=16&L=1
http://best-breezes.squarespace.com/journal/

KiteShip:
http://www.kiteship.com/

NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright
again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew
better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates...
I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now...

tom
p.s. I have one of the few non-shoalkeel Maurice Griffiths designs; 42
LOD, 11.96 RTons, 6'draft, kanwara is her name
=-==
From " http://www.kensolo.com/TheBoat.htm "

finally found the boat I ended up with in Brunswick, GA and trucked
her to the west coast. She is a Maurice Griffiths designed 44'
staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in
1993. She has a round chine and a 6' bowsprit. She was originally
designed as what is known as a bilge keel boat with a full keel and 16
s.f. plates on each side of the keel to allow her to stay upright when
the tide ebbs.

I had these cut off after talking with designer, Robert Perry

who agreed they were 400 lbs. each with a lot of wetted surface and
useless for my plans. She draws 5'6" and has a beam of 12' 3"
and comes in at about 50,000 lbs fully loaded for this trip. For the
last 3 + years I have been outfitting her for her new task.
=-==


NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about
Ken Barnes.

But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain
( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port?

Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some
type of repair on site?

It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail
around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well
equipped, strong, yacht.

Am I missing something?


Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done
other long trips?

Tell me where I am off course.


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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long

Talking of waterlines, look at the Donna Lange pics when she is
leaving NZ. That sucker is squatting.
Not your ordinary granny!
Gordon

oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam.
And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted...
Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes....
gotta do watcha gotta do!

tlindly wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright
again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew
better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates...
I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now...

tom
p.s. I have one of the few non-shoalkeel Maurice Griffiths designs; 42
LOD, 11.96 RTons, 6'draft, kanwara is her name
=-==
From " http://www.kensolo.com/TheBoat.htm "

finally found the boat I ended up with in Brunswick, GA and trucked
her to the west coast. She is a Maurice Griffiths designed 44'
staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in
1993. She has a round chine and a 6' bowsprit. She was originally
designed as what is known as a bilge keel boat with a full keel and 16
s.f. plates on each side of the keel to allow her to stay upright when
the tide ebbs.

I had these cut off after talking with designer, Robert Perry

who agreed they were 400 lbs. each with a lot of wetted surface and
useless for my plans. She draws 5'6" and has a beam of 12' 3"
and comes in at about 50,000 lbs fully loaded for this trip. For the
last 3 + years I have been outfitting her for her new task.
=-==


NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about
Ken Barnes.

But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain
( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port?

Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some
type of repair on site?

It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail
around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well
equipped, strong, yacht.

Am I missing something?


Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done
other long trips?

Tell me where I am off course.


---------------------------------
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long

Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his
trip to pull an insurance scam!

And in your reply to yourself, you talk about sawing off a "stabilizer
plate". What the hell are you talking about? This is a sailboat, not a
power boat.

-- Geoff

"tlindly" wrote in
ups.com:

oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam.
And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted...
Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes....
gotta do watcha gotta do!

tlindly wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand
upright again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they
knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer
plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about
now...

tom

Geoff Schultz wrote:
Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his
trip to pull an insurance scam!

how do you know?
are You in on it??
did YOU do the planning???

And in your reply to yourself, you talk about sawing off a "stabilizer
plate".
I didn't talk about it, He talked about it, on his website, at the
advise of Mr. Perry apparently,
Hey wait aminute, Is Schultz german for Perry????
O.k., now I'm Boardering on facesiousness..., in this line

But not this one, how did he scuttle a steel boat? Are scuttle corks
mandatory on steel boats, with little yellow tags that say "pull here
if you are afraid that the chilian navy will not know how to deal
responsibly with the vessel you are abandoning off their coast, for
insurance scam reasons"

What the hell are you talking about? This is a sailboat, not a
power boat.
o.k.

-- Geoff

"tlindly" wrote in
ups.com:

oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam.
And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted...
Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes....
gotta do watcha gotta do!

tlindly wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand
upright again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they
knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer
plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about
now...

tom

This from the CBS story .. in the comments section.

Comments

This guy should have to pay all costs associated with his rescue. I tired
about morons putting themselves in danger who expect others to put
themselves at risk if they get into trouble. I'm also tired of their
famalies getting on TV, crying about why everything isn't being done to save
their particular idiot. They should have stopped the idiot before he left.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

3 days isn't all that bad... it's not like he was out there a month or
something... what's the big deal????

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long

The Privateer
A signal from Barnes' emergency position indicating radio beacon, or EPIRB,
was later received, and U.S. Coast Guard and Chilean authorities started
rescue operations. A Chilean aircraft was expected to home in on the beacon
Wednesday afternoon and contact Barnes. The aircraft would also drop
survival gear -- life rafts or survival suits -- if needed. The nearest
vessel, about 150 miles away, was motoring toward the site and was expected
to reach Barnes within about 24 hours. A cargo vessel also was en route and
expected to arrive about the same time. Chambers said Barnes sounded good,
"but then he was crying too; so he's upset about having to leave the boat at
some point." Barnes told her the boat was not sinking, just at the whimsy of
the wind and waves, and he was trying to save the battery in his satellite
phone to make contact with Chilean authorities. "I don't care about the
boat," she told Barnes, a father of three. "I just want you home."

=========

This from another news story. So, the boat was not sinking. This guy was
way in over his head.

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long

Roger ,, after reading the news stories ,, I'd be doing just about anything
to get my hands on this boat..
Would this be a sweet present.. Nice 44 footer. For FREE.

I'd name it : "Finders Keepers".

And I wouldn't be off sailing around the world ... nope; off to Antigua to
sail around the Carribean. YES!

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long