"Roger Long" wrote
One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in.

I'm curious why something like that wasn't done. Sinking it seems wasteful
to me, but what do I know?

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-sailorw...,5429998.story
He scuttled his boat, The Privateer, so that it would not present a hazard
to other vessels.

"The boat is about 3,000 feet underwater," Barnes said. "I already put a
quarter-million dollars into it and it would have taken a million dollars to
recover it" - an estimate confirmed by search and rescue officials in the
Chilean navy.

NE Sailboat: For some reason or another you seem intent on bashing
Barnes with a lot of venom. You've posted 1/3 of the responses to this
thread and seem to be drawn to following this post. That's easy to do
when you're sitting behind a computer somewhere in the NE. You weren't
on his boat and you don't know the conditions of his systems or of
Barnes himself.

Many people set out on voyages not fully prepared for them. You over
estimate your abilities or the condition of your boat and you under
estimate the severity of the conditions that you can run in to. Many
times luck is on your side and you escape unscathed. Sometimes luck
runs against you and all hell breaks loose. I suspect that it was a
combination of the above.

I think about the 1st time that I sailed from Newport, RI to the BVIs
and I can't believe how nieve I was. Back then I had at most sailed
from RI to Florida and back and had done at most a handful of over-
nighters. Now I'm amazed at how little I knew, but I came through in
one piece.

Since then I've put on 30,000+ miles and still would doubt my abilities
to handle the conditions in the off the coast of Chile. I have no
desire to go there, call it either having the brains to know my limits
or not having the balls to undertake such an adventure. But you have to
give the guy credit for trying.

If you read the credits at the bottom of his web page it appears that
he's spent the last 4 years planning and preparing for this voyage. One
can hardly consider this a lark on his part. Things just went bad for
him. After all of this planning I doubt that he would just abandon his
boat for no real reason.

Most accidents aren't due to a single failure. They're due to cascading
events and fatigue. None of us were there and we don't know the whole
story. Right now we're relying on dribs and drabs of info from the news
media, some of which seem to be wrong. It's not fair to criticize the
guy until all of the facts come out. Even then, it's easy to be a
Monday morning skipper and say how you would have done things
differently.

-- Geoff

krj wrote in news:QMSnh.21190$641.20879
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

The newspaper report said that there was three feet of water inside
from
the waves breaking over the hataches that had been torn off. The water
flooded the engine, batteries shorted the electrical and the steering
was broken. I wouldn't want a "trawler" with three feet of water
inside.
krj



Sure doesn't look 3 feet low in the water, does it? I can see the
waterline clearly visible. You can make out the antifouling bottom.

Maybe the loss of rigging makes it ride higher??

Rule number one....if it looks bad, quit playing Captain Nemo and LIGHT
OFF THE DAMNED ENGINE. Now there's plenty of power to run the
pumps....if you have pumps....and I'm sure such a sailor would have more
than enough pumps for a major flooding situation.

Maybe if we didn't have crap hatches with plastic covers that would be an
improvement. Nothing holds the plastic covers on ours except the sealer.
How stupid. I've never figured out why sailors buy transparent plastic
hatches, then spend another fortune buying shades to keep the sun
out....???



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip
http://www.verichipcorp.com/
Tracked like a dog, every license/product/tax.
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor,
free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their
foreheads:
17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the
name of the beast, or the number of his name...

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"Roger Long" wrote
One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in.

I'm curious why something like that wasn't done. Sinking it seems wasteful
to me, but what do I know?

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-sailorw...,5429998.story
He scuttled his boat, The Privateer, so that it would not present a hazard
to other vessels.

"The boat is about 3,000 feet underwater," Barnes said. "I already put a
quarter-million dollars into it and it would have taken a million dollars
to recover it" - an estimate confirmed by search and rescue officials in
the Chilean navy.



I would like to think that I'm such a fantastic sailor that I could have
brought The Privateer safely into port after suffering the conditions that
rendered her dismasted and without power. I say I like to *think* so. But
the truth is that none of us know the conditions Barnes endured, or for how
long, or how any of us really would have handled ourselves, and our vessel,
in that situation. And I'm damned glad that I wasn't there. Cap't Barnes
deserves our respect, not condemnation.

Karin

You still haven't convinced me.

I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take beautiful
lady friend on boat for trip to islands.

Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle..


hahahahahahahhaah


==============
"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. .
NE Sailboat: For some reason or another you seem intent on bashing
Barnes with a lot of venom. You've posted 1/3 of the responses to this
thread and seem to be drawn to following this post. That's easy to do
when you're sitting behind a computer somewhere in the NE. You weren't
on his boat and you don't know the conditions of his systems or of
Barnes himself.

Many people set out on voyages not fully prepared for them. You over
estimate your abilities or the condition of your boat and you under
estimate the severity of the conditions that you can run in to. Many
times luck is on your side and you escape unscathed. Sometimes luck
runs against you and all hell breaks loose. I suspect that it was a
combination of the above.

I think about the 1st time that I sailed from Newport, RI to the BVIs
and I can't believe how nieve I was. Back then I had at most sailed
from RI to Florida and back and had done at most a handful of over-
nighters. Now I'm amazed at how little I knew, but I came through in
one piece.

Since then I've put on 30,000+ miles and still would doubt my abilities
to handle the conditions in the off the coast of Chile. I have no
desire to go there, call it either having the brains to know my limits
or not having the balls to undertake such an adventure. But you have to
give the guy credit for trying.

If you read the credits at the bottom of his web page it appears that
he's spent the last 4 years planning and preparing for this voyage. One
can hardly consider this a lark on his part. Things just went bad for
him. After all of this planning I doubt that he would just abandon his
boat for no real reason.

Most accidents aren't due to a single failure. They're due to cascading
events and fatigue. None of us were there and we don't know the whole
story. Right now we're relying on dribs and drabs of info from the news
media, some of which seem to be wrong. It's not fair to criticize the
guy until all of the facts come out. Even then, it's easy to be a
Monday morning skipper and say how you would have done things
differently.

-- Geoff

Cap't Barnes
deserves our respect, not condemnation.

Karin


=========

Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea.

What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it
easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying.

==

Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if
Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the
loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance.

A. Captain?
B. Respect?

I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes... don't
forget to bring the cell phone.

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:mM9oh.3605$1h.3501@trndny09...
Cap't Barnes
deserves our respect, not condemnation.

Karin


=========

Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea.

I did give you a break. I replied as if you were a reasonable person.


What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it
easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying.

And you, of course, have never filed an insurance claim. And if you truly
haven't, have no intention of ever doing so. Of course.


==

Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if
Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the
loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance.

A. Captain?
B. Respect?

I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes...
don't forget to bring the cell phone.


Might I suggest that you take up cliff diving? ;-)

Karin

With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded,
batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself?
krj

Fly a Kite? Might be a good item to have onboard.

SkySails:
http://www.skysails.info/index.php?id=16&L=1
http://best-breezes.squarespace.com/journal/

KiteShip:
http://www.kiteship.com/

Cliff ,, Muff ... any difference?

===
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:mM9oh.3605$1h.3501@trndny09...
Cap't Barnes
deserves our respect, not condemnation.

Karin


=========

Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea.

I did give you a break. I replied as if you were a reasonable person.


What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it
easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying.

And you, of course, have never filed an insurance claim. And if you truly
haven't, have no intention of ever doing so. Of course.


==

Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if
Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the
loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance.

A. Captain?
B. Respect?

I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes...
don't forget to bring the cell phone.


Might I suggest that you take up cliff diving? ;-)

Karin

You got the wrong moral..

The moral of this story .. have a great friend like the one your friend had.

He took it under tow for 8 days ? Wow ,, now that is something.

If a single hander gets sick and must leave his ship, then the vessel is
fair game in the salvage business isn't it?

I wonder why nobody down in Chile got out to Barnes's boat.

Could have been a nice prize, I'd think.

===
"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article ,
se says...


"Roger Long" wrote
One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in.

I'm curious why something like that wasn't done. Sinking it seems wasteful
to me, but what do I know?

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-sailorw...,5429998.story
He scuttled his boat, The Privateer, so that it would not present a hazard
to other vessels.

"The boat is about 3,000 feet underwater," Barnes said. "I already put a
quarter-million dollars into it and it would have taken a million dollars
to
recover it" - an estimate confirmed by search and rescue officials in the
Chilean navy.

My understanding is that the Coast Guard will scuttle a derelict vessel
rather
than tow it so that it does not present a hazard to navigation. There was
a
case a few years ago where a vessel on a long voyage came across another
one
in good shape but abandoned. On advice from the CG they scuttled the
abandoned
yacht. Closer to home, a friend of ours was crossing from Bermuda to the
Azores in company with another boat being single handed. The single hander
got
sick and had to abandon to a rescue ship. The Coast Guard ordered the
abandoned vessel, about 28 feet, to be scuttled. Instead, my friend took
it in
tow under power -- for eight days to the Azores where the owner was still
in
hospital. Moral: buy Yanmar.

I wonder if NE Sailboat would have put himself out like that for another
distressed sailor or just dismiss them both as ill-prepared weenies.