NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright
again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew
better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates...
I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now...

tom
p.s. I have one of the few non-shoalkeel Maurice Griffiths designs; 42
LOD, 11.96 RTons, 6'draft, kanwara is her name
=-==
From " http://www.kensolo.com/TheBoat.htm "

finally found the boat I ended up with in Brunswick, GA and trucked
her to the west coast. She is a Maurice Griffiths designed 44'
staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in
1993. She has a round chine and a 6' bowsprit. She was originally
designed as what is known as a bilge keel boat with a full keel and 16
s.f. plates on each side of the keel to allow her to stay upright when
the tide ebbs.

I had these cut off after talking with designer, Robert Perry

who agreed they were 400 lbs. each with a lot of wetted surface and
useless for my plans. She draws 5'6" and has a beam of 12' 3"
and comes in at about 50,000 lbs fully loaded for this trip. For the
last 3 + years I have been outfitting her for her new task.
=-==


NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about
Ken Barnes.

But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain
( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port?

Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some
type of repair on site?

It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail
around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well
equipped, strong, yacht.

Am I missing something?


Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done
other long trips?

Tell me where I am off course.


---------------------------------
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long

Talking of waterlines, look at the Donna Lange pics when she is
leaving NZ. That sucker is squatting.
Not your ordinary granny!
Gordon

oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam.
And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted...
Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes....
gotta do watcha gotta do!

tlindly wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright
again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew
better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates...
I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now...

tom
p.s. I have one of the few non-shoalkeel Maurice Griffiths designs; 42
LOD, 11.96 RTons, 6'draft, kanwara is her name
=-==
From " http://www.kensolo.com/TheBoat.htm "

finally found the boat I ended up with in Brunswick, GA and trucked
her to the west coast. She is a Maurice Griffiths designed 44'
staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in
1993. She has a round chine and a 6' bowsprit. She was originally
designed as what is known as a bilge keel boat with a full keel and 16
s.f. plates on each side of the keel to allow her to stay upright when
the tide ebbs.

I had these cut off after talking with designer, Robert Perry

who agreed they were 400 lbs. each with a lot of wetted surface and
useless for my plans. She draws 5'6" and has a beam of 12' 3"
and comes in at about 50,000 lbs fully loaded for this trip. For the
last 3 + years I have been outfitting her for her new task.
=-==


NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about
Ken Barnes.

But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain
( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port?

Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some
type of repair on site?

It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail
around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well
equipped, strong, yacht.

Am I missing something?


Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done
other long trips?

Tell me where I am off course.


---------------------------------
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long

Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his
trip to pull an insurance scam!

And in your reply to yourself, you talk about sawing off a "stabilizer
plate". What the hell are you talking about? This is a sailboat, not a
power boat.

-- Geoff

"tlindly" wrote in
ups.com:

oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam.
And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted...
Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes....
gotta do watcha gotta do!

tlindly wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand
upright again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they
knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer
plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about
now...

tom

Geoff Schultz wrote:
Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his
trip to pull an insurance scam!

how do you know?
are You in on it??
did YOU do the planning???

And in your reply to yourself, you talk about sawing off a "stabilizer
plate".
I didn't talk about it, He talked about it, on his website, at the
advise of Mr. Perry apparently,
Hey wait aminute, Is Schultz german for Perry????
O.k., now I'm Boardering on facesiousness..., in this line

But not this one, how did he scuttle a steel boat? Are scuttle corks
mandatory on steel boats, with little yellow tags that say "pull here
if you are afraid that the chilian navy will not know how to deal
responsibly with the vessel you are abandoning off their coast, for
insurance scam reasons"

What the hell are you talking about? This is a sailboat, not a
power boat.
o.k.

-- Geoff

"tlindly" wrote in
ups.com:

oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam.
And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted...
Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes....
gotta do watcha gotta do!

tlindly wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand
upright again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they
knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer
plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about
now...

tom

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:49:33 -0800, tlindly wrote:

snipped for hygenic purposes

*plonked* for egregious stupidity

"tlindly" wrote in news:1168422573.348469.285210
@i39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:


Geoff Schultz wrote:
Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his
trip to pull an insurance scam!

how do you know?
are You in on it??
did YOU do the planning???

Perhaps you should read his web site...Do I know absolutely? No! Was I in
on it? No! Did I do the planning? No!

Are you an blathering idiot? YES!

-- Geoff

Geoff Schultz wrote:

Geoff Schultz wrote:
Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his
trip to pull an insurance scam!

how do you know?
are You in on it??
did YOU do the planning???

Perhaps you should read his web site...
If you had read THIS thread, you would see that I not only DID read his
website,
but I cut and pasted info from his website wherein I show that he
ALTERed his
boat making it less stable. After this, someone mentioned that he had
scuttled
his boat, and at that time I mentioned that IF THAT WERE TRUE [I'm
still not
convinced that the scuttling wasn't just a rumor] then it was likely an
insurance
scam.
Do I know absolutely? No!
Then why did you exclaim it so? [with your punctuation, see above]
Was I in
on it? No! Did I do the planning? No!
No, now that I'm getting to know you better, I can see that you do not
have the
attention span needed for a caper of this magnatude.

Are you an blathering idiot? YES!
Let's see...
OED says:
"blether, blather, v. - 1. intr. To talk nonsense loquaciously."
"idiot, n. - ad. Gr.{ilenis}{delta}{iota}{gwacu}{tau}{eta}{fsigma}
private person, common man, plebeian, one without professional
knowledge, 'layman';"
Yes, I see that I must concede to you this point, that I do so fancy
our
conversations!

Yours [while mired in your abuse],
tom
=-==

tlindly wrote:

If you had read THIS thread, you would see that I not only DID read
his website, but I cut and pasted info from his website wherein I show
that he
ALTERed his boat making it less stable.

Yes, you read it but without the technical understanding to properly
evaluate it.

The weight represented by the bilge keels would have had an insignificant
effect on stability. They were primarily devices to keep the boat upright
in British anchorages that dry out at low tide. Their removal would,
however, make the boat significantly less prone to the rollover by reducing
the low drag that trips the boat against the force of the wave crest on the
topsides. Possibly some loss of windward ability as well but this isn't
always the case if the boat also has a center keel. Getting bilge keels
exactly aligned with the flow is a black art and their drag can hurt
windward performance more than their extra area decreases leeway.

Bob Perry gave him excellent advice.

The fine points of naval architecture are one thing. The suggestion that
this was an insurance scam betrays a lack of common sense and the nature of
marine insurance rates that makes it hard for me to believe the person who
suggested it ever had occasion to buy insurance for a yacht.

--
Roger Long