On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:36:28 -0500, Jeff wrote:

BarelyAwake wrote:
This hitch is on the inside of the boom of my boat. I know some basic
sailing knots, and I tried find this in a book of knots, but I don't
recognize this one. Can someone identify it?

The 2 links are to photos showing both the front and back sides of the
hitch, still tied up inside the boom.

http://i17.tinypic.com/2mm6z9z.jpg

http://i12.tinypic.com/2ypey3a.jpg

TIA for any assistance.


Its a bowline, but not in the standard form. I'm too lazy to fetch my
copy of Ashley to find the name of this variant.

Don't know if there is a particular name for it - I'd just call it a
"bad" bowline, with the tail outside the main loop, rather than inside
where it belongs. (The rabbit went around the tree the wrong way.)




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Peter Bennett wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:36:28 -0500, Jeff wrote:

BarelyAwake wrote:
This hitch is on the inside of the boom of my boat. I know some basic
sailing knots, and I tried find this in a book of knots, but I don't
recognize this one. Can someone identify it?

The 2 links are to photos showing both the front and back sides of the
hitch, still tied up inside the boom.

http://i17.tinypic.com/2mm6z9z.jpg

http://i12.tinypic.com/2ypey3a.jpg

TIA for any assistance.


Its a bowline, but not in the standard form. I'm too lazy to fetch my
copy of Ashley to find the name of this variant.

Don't know if there is a particular name for it - I'd just call it a
"bad" bowline, with the tail outside the main loop, rather than inside
where it belongs. (The rabbit went around the tree the wrong way.)





Stupid Rabbit! Elmer probably nailed that one!
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Its a bowline, but not in the standard form. I'm too lazy to fetch my
copy of Ashley to find the name of this variant.

Don't know if there is a particular name for it - I'd just call it a
"bad" bowline, with the tail outside the main loop, rather than inside
where it belongs. (The rabbit went around the tree the wrong way.)

Both variants are legal and it depends on the use case. Tail outside is
better, if you have to fix it e.g. around a pole.

But depends on traditions, which kind of bowline (tail inside/outside)
is the correct one

e.g.: In the 19th century for the German navy the correct bowline was
tail outside, while for the german mercantile marine the correct
bowline was tail inside.

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Peter wrote:

Both variants are legal and it depends on the use case. Tail outside is
better, if you have to fix it e.g. around a pole.

But depends on traditions, which kind of bowline (tail inside/outside)
is the correct one

So, could someone explain what the differences are, in practical terms?
How to make a qualified decision which style to use?

-Heikki

In Heikki writes:

Peter wrote:

Both variants are legal and it depends on the use case. Tail outside is
better, if you have to fix it e.g. around a pole.

But depends on traditions, which kind of bowline (tail inside/outside)
is the correct one

So, could someone explain what the differences are, in practical terms?
How to make a qualified decision which style to use?

I do not believe that there is any serious difference, but if you asked
the German military of merchant navy some 60 years ago, the other would
say, that the other is useless and should never be used and the other
would have the explanation reversed. :-)

The strongest opinions relate to things that do not make any difference.


- Lauri Tarkkonen

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:31:21 +0100, Heikki wrote:

Peter wrote:

Both variants are legal and it depends on the use case. Tail outside is
better, if you have to fix it e.g. around a pole.

But depends on traditions, which kind of bowline (tail inside/outside)
is the correct one

So, could someone explain what the differences are, in practical terms?
How to make a qualified decision which style to use?

-Heikki

When using a bowline to attach jib sheets to the sail, the "tail
inside" version is alleged to be less likely to hang up on the shrouds
as you tack.

There is also a slight possibility that if the "tail outside" version
gets stuck on something, the tail may be pulled back and upset the
knot.


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On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:31:21 +0100, Heikki wrote:

Peter wrote:

Both variants are legal and it depends on the use case. Tail outside is
better, if you have to fix it e.g. around a pole.

But depends on traditions, which kind of bowline (tail inside/outside)
is the correct one

So, could someone explain what the differences are, in practical terms?
How to make a qualified decision which style to use?

Some of the post seem to indicate that it's based on sexual
orientation ;-)

-Heikki

wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:31:21 +0100, Heikki wrote:

Peter wrote:

Both variants are legal and it depends on the use case. Tail outside is
better,

Always taught tail inside loop.......

unless you are Officer Dangle of Reno 911.
Then most agreed dangle outside.