I'm going to replace the old wire main halyard winch, on my 35' sloop, with a
line winch. Just wondering if there is a need for a 2sp. winch, for halyard use
only. Other 2sp. winches are available for lifting, hoisting aloft, etc.
Thanks to all.

What is the relative cost difference and what if you break one of the other
winches? I have never heard anyone say, "Geez this winch is too powerful."


"Ilv2sl" wrote in message
...
I'm going to replace the old wire main halyard winch, on my 35' sloop,
with a
line winch. Just wondering if there is a need for a 2sp. winch, for
halyard use
only. Other 2sp. winches are available for lifting, hoisting aloft, etc.
Thanks to all.

Rick & Linda Bernard wrote:

... I have never heard anyone say, "Geez this winch
is too powerful."

Nor have I. I have, however, heard several people say: "Geez, this winch is
too expensive."

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:28:24 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
wrote:

Rick & Linda Bernard wrote:

... I have never heard anyone say, "Geez this winch
is too powerful."

Nor have I. I have, however, heard several people say: "Geez, this winch is
too expensive."

I've even heard, "Geez, this winch HANDLE is too expensive!"

Usually right before it slips, bounces on the toerail on its way over
the side....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

Normally before the splash you hear an OOPS.


"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:28:24 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
wrote:

Rick & Linda Bernard wrote:

... I have never heard anyone say, "Geez this winch
is too powerful."

Nor have I. I have, however, heard several people say: "Geez, this winch
is
too expensive."

I've even heard, "Geez, this winch HANDLE is too expensive!"

Usually right before it slips, bounces on the toerail on its way over
the side....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

Speaking of dropping things over the side..

Happened to me yesterday.

I had spent 2 days in my machine/weld shop making a longer 'jaw' afair for
my clew outhaul car.. Lotta work but what a fine job I did.. I can say that
now (that it is on the bottom in 30 ft of water.

If only I had make it out of something that would float or was magnetic. No
hope of recovering it since I was swinging on a mooring bouy and the swing
radius creates a very large search area. If I had had my gps turned on, I
could have done a MOB and go down with some dive gear.

I won't repeat my general abusive language here..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:50:27 -0500, "Rick & Linda Bernard"
wrote:

Normally before the splash you hear an OOPS.

In South Carolina, Redneck Country, you hear a lot of cursing from
wherever the handle's owner WAS standing....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

Armond Perretta wrote:
Rick & Linda Bernard wrote:

... I have never heard anyone say, "Geez this winch
is too powerful."


Nor have I. I have, however, heard several people say: "Geez, this winch is
too expensive."

Tell me about it!!

While on the subject what do you guys feel is the maximum force you can
put on a winch handle? The "generally accepted" formula for
determining winch ratio is (SA*6)/35 assuming 35 pounds being the
maximum force. With a 500 sq.ft. foretriangle that works out to 86:1.
That is a $5,000 winch!!! A 64 cost about $3500 which is the limit of
my buget but the handle force would be 48 lb.

I'm thinking I may just head up a little, trim and fall off and save
$3-4K. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:03:05 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

While on the subject what do you guys feel is the maximum force you can
put on a winch handle? The "generally accepted" formula for
determining winch ratio is (SA*6)/35 assuming 35 pounds being the
maximum force. With a 500 sq.ft. foretriangle that works out to 86:1.
That is a $5,000 winch!!! A 64 cost about $3500 which is the limit of
my buget but the handle force would be 48 lb.

Actually, on most boats I've sailed on, this force depends on how much
in-the-way the stupid cables the idiot boat manufacturers spent so
much money putting DIRECTLY in the path of the revolving winch handle.
I think they work very hard to make sure no winch handle over 6" has a
clear, unobstructed turning circle without banging into "something".

Maybe they're trying to make it hard for us to crank too hard on the
cheap winch or the flimsy way they're mounted to the think
fiberglass....??

I'm thinking I may just head up a little, trim and fall off and save
$3-4K. :-)

What?! Aren't all the lines SUPPOSED to creak ominously while you're
cranking as hard as you can pull?....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

Glenn Ashmore wrote:
Armond Perretta wrote:
Rick & Linda Bernard wrote:

... I have never heard anyone say, "Geez this winch
is too powerful."

Nor have I. I have, however, heard several people say: "Geez,
this winch is too expensive."

While on the subject what do you guys feel is the maximum force you
can put on a winch handle? The "generally accepted" formula for
determining winch ratio is (SA*6)/35 assuming 35 pounds being the
maximum force ...

I don't know your source for this, Glenn, but I have pretty much always
heard the figure of 50 pounds quoted. Then you do the ratio math from
there.

Without looking it up I think Wally Ross has some tables for this (my
sailing books are still in boxes 3 moths after the move to a new house).

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com